Nice to see you have so much to add to the discussion here. If everybody listened to skeptics like you we'd all still be driving black Model T's.

 

I am far from a skeptic but I do enjoy good humor when I see it.

Bill

 

Ironic yes, but interested none the less. Those are some impressive numbers...up until this graphic only FTB guys have mentioned getting well over 200 with a head...I think M7 was around 202 most of the time.

 

That is pretty impressive.

 

You may be far from a skeptic, but you're real close to idiot. Do you even have a MINI?
It really sucks that you are allowed to post on this forum.

 

Despite the lack of dyno sheets I'm still hopeful about the M62. I have a HP goal in mind and I could probably reach it with the M45 and a lot of other modifications but I'm hopeful that the 62 will give me a flatter, broader torque curve and lower intake temps for increased consistency and reliability.
I don't want to deal with the packaging issues and increased underhood temps of trying to put a turbo onto my motor and don't want to push the limits of the M45 and stock internals so a larger supercharger makes a lot more sense.
Luckily I have a lot of time so I get to be patient, let the developement play out, and get a complete refined system when the time comes to pull Brandy out of storage.

 

I am sorry my humor doesn't suit your tastes. Yes I own a MCS and very happy with it. Thanks for asking.

Bill

 

If you don't like what other members are posting, don't read it or just let it go. Every one of your posts is negative, try adding something constructive.

 

Partsman,

Maybe you should take your own advice?

Bill

 

The only time I post something negative is when guys like you show up.

 

not entirely accurate... we have been at the 225 mark for about a year, and are looking to smash that very soon.

also i believe the maness stage 4 or 5 cars are over 220whp if i am not mistaken. 200+ is what you should expect out of a car with a cylinder head. Hell even a couple of the cars that are running my pulley are between 195-205 without the head

 

I guess we just dont hear about it often becasue it becomes he said she said deal.

 

What pulley are you running?

 

true... on a sidenote... i hit 5th gear!!!!!!! YEAH!

 

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How much cheddar ($) is involved for this setup? I'm not trying to diss or dig . . . just wondering.

 

I also enjoy good humor when I see it and you have provided quite a bit when you suggested that a water to air intercooler was a good value. You must be new to the mini world as that opinion is wrong on so many levels. You said that it was only $500 over the cost of a good aftermarket top mount which may take care of the parts but you forgothe seveal hours of install compared with the normal less than a hour for any of the top mounts. The amount of additional plumbing , water tank , radiator, fluids etc. weight wise is also a minus. When you get your hood popped by any curious officer of the law in any state such as California you will also have the pleasure of taking it all off again and going back to stock in order to get the ticket cleared. To top this all off the jury is still out on wether or not a water to air is even better or worse than a stock system. Once the water reaches heat soak it is VERY slow to go away , something wich any air to air does much better. So to recap you spend a LOT more , go thru several modifications to the car , carry extra weight in the front where you do not need it, have to hide from the law in several states and it MAY or may NOT realy be any better. Ya that sounds like a hell of a good value to me. Miniflop your credability is pretty much shot on this board.

 

Maybe I was not clear..... the M62 with the head, header etc is not a cheap mod..... I thought that was obvious.....

 

I'm curious about soemthing.

Before I start, I want to make sure that no one misinterprets what I'm about to ask. I'm not posting on behalf of any Vendor - I don't even own a Mini anymore. So please - no questioning of my motives - because I have none.

Please also realize that I am not questioning DDM or Bob (SpiderX). Regardless of how the M62 ends up performing I truly believe Bob posts are positive and their is no BS or malice in them........

Before DDM/Bob made their announcement I had first heard (quite some time before the inception of this thread) that the M62 was being looked at for the MCS by another Vendor. When I spoke to the Vendor about the M62, it was explained that, for a myriad of reasons, that the setup would not produce cost effective results and would also be extremely hard to properly implement without extensive tweaking and more $$$$$$.

The point of this is not to start and Vendor bashing war or a he said/she said fight. The point is that it appears that, as Cosmic Purple has hinted at, the M62 may not be a good match for the MCS. It appears that some part of the Mini community may have already gone partially down this road.

This thread is on its way to degenerating due to variety of reasons. I think that it may not be a bad idea to share, if possible, exactly what roadblocks are being encountered in its development.

It's hard to start a thread like this and then have to explain repeatedly to people that this is the development phase of the project. The lack of posted positive results is going to be viewed, right or wrong, as some sort of failure. With that in mind, maybe it would be a good idea to touch on the actually causes of the issues being experienced in the beta cars.

 

I have to agree...this is impressive..... Don, you were not around when I bought my head and header otherwise who knows...... the 62 on top of your system might get to 250whp or better since it flows so well.....

DDM is working on many alternatives for the kit that at some point will max the potential...... My WMS head and the Milltek header it seems are far from optimum for the 62..... at the time there were only a few people doing heads and Endyne was not quoting a delivery time that I was happy with......Randy Webb was at the top of the food chain and really taking care of business hence my choice...... (Randy still defends his head as the leader and that is another arguement...)

The bar has been raised since I bought my parts and DDM and dmh are clearly at the forefront.... Peter and M7 have some new performance parts coming that should be very exciting as well......

I just got back from the shop that is building the header and it is progressing nicely.... the primaries are tacked on in the jig and it should be done by this weekend.....(FYI, this header and another model are in the works...dynos will be provided when the work is complete) this header will be made available to the market at some point.....hand done...one at a time...by the same craftsman....

DDM will get the car soon for maybe another week and after that a new exhaust (custom) will be in the works..... maybe we can get to my goal...who knows.....

clearly.... theere are some talented, experienced people with their eyes on the Mini.... this is good for all Mini owners who want more.....

My contributions have helped get this ball rolling and for that I am proud if not tired and worn out.... anyone want to buy a Mini.....(highly modified)

 

and look at all the fun that I missed!

But this isn't rocket science, look at the flow numbers on the M45, and it's on it's last legs as you put a pulley on it. The difference in air intake temps between the two (m45 and m62) is ALMOST a look up excersize. The fact that the Mini head is a bit underwhelming on exhaust numbers isn't new. So it's pretty much a given that any intake mod will do better with head work. But look at the FBT guys, 20+ psi of boost can ram a lot of air through a stock head.

The real biatch with our cars is the tune......

Matt

 

Thanks for chiming in Doc, Don and Bob! It just amazes me that this has to be said over and over even though people still seem to not get it. Bottlenecks, well established. Solutions are always being pursued even if efforts are repeated.

As to why I got the M62 kit... yes, I accepted an invitation to be a beta (along with all the joys & head aches that go with it) in search of a non-turbo power solution beyond the typical bolt ons. If I reach a point that I am completely satisfied with the power then I will stop pursuing it. However, I believe in a one step at a time approach because my additional goals are very much different than most of you gearheads. I also want a very quiet ride and I will sacrifice power at the alter of low noise volume.

So the fact that there are rides out there that have much higher power numbers should not surprise anyone who knows me. Just ask anyone who's taken a ride in Icarus and the comment is always the same "Wow, such power and so quiet![sic - compared to other power monger rides]" Therefore, my ride does not sound like some teenagers wet dream and thank god! Please understand that I don't care what others are reporting with their astromical power numbers. I know those power numbers also have a noise volume that is hugely unacceptable to me and probably to the general Mini community.

The vendor that is able to produce a solution that is very quiet is the company that will gain the lions share of the general Mini community. This is the biggest issue why most people do not get power mods. This is also a point gear heads just don't understand with comments like "That can't be done." Have you heard the Audi turbo diesel compared to their competition? Don't tell me that can't be passed on to the street car. It's done by every auto manufacturer every year. Is it easy? Hell no or else everyone would be doing it that way.

 

Answers to the above quotes and others:
In a previous post/thread I answered that by noting I never claim that part X will make Y hp or something to that effect. There are just too many variables. However, I do tune with a dyno and what you are seeing is the result of a package I offer, not a part.
I tuned this car earlier this month in Scottsdale with only 91 octane.
It’s not lean for a street tune; road race, yes. There are different maps the owner can choose from at the flick of a switch.
The combination of the technology in the Wegner head (unlike any other), Stahl headers, and the ecu tune allows for 225+ WHP; even more with race fuel. (The head comes with a performace guarantee.) And it uses only a 15% supercharger under-drive pulley.
Cost: Most of the costs assocaiated are on the DMH web site. Then add install.

 

Don, if I were interested in more torque, and was willing to give up whp up top to get it, can that combo be redirected to get the torque into the 200 (or more) range?

I don't have a clue if they're even remotely interchangeable, so please excuse my naivete.

 

This is only a 1.6L engine and to make power you have to rev. The supercharger with a small pulley combo allows for more power down low but at the expense of power up high.
For real torque I'd look to a truck.