out of curisoity... is this an extra 40-50ft/lbs from stock or from a car with a cylinder head, cam, exhaust etc...

i guess i am just curious as to the baseline number that we are saying the 40-50ft/lbs...

or maybe this is just an extra 40/50ft/lbs bolt on... so if you have 150 you know have 190-200 and if you had 180 you are now at 220-2300 ish...

just curious

 

I could not agree more... the tq is what gives the car the low end that the Mini so desperately needs..... I don't have to shift nearly as much and it is a pleasure to drive.... I don't know why the tq number has not gotten more of a rise

 

Popcorn anyone?

I wish I had more to contribute but first I'm going to have to figure out a unique way to bulk up my Mini in order to participate in this "*****" war Ooooo...my girl "Msfitoy" with a *****

 

The hint is the water pump mod.

 

But again, was that 40-50 tq on yr car, or a stock S? Seems like a stocker would be getting much less in terms of returns. And (stock car) gains of, say, 20-30tq for $3.5k don't seem great. Now there are people who don't care about the whole "bang for buck," but most do. Even most people who are modding their cars, I would venture to guess.

And it's disappointing to read ppl talking about the M62 being a last power mod and not a first, considering that a lot of the hype has been that it's a DIY bolt-on, and that it's been tested early on with stock cars. In the S, you're building the power around the supercharger, inc. efficiency and all that jazz. Seems like it's sorta roundabout to have to build a M45 car and then move onto the M62.

 

What war are you talking about?

 

It makes that on my car.... don't know about stock or a lightly modded car.....


MSFITOY.... is a girl...... the SpiderX is a boy..... we should not get them together

back to the topic....


mods of this type are not meant for everyone..ala a pulley.... there comes a time when you can not get much more.....

.....I am waiting for the numbers from Dane's car like everyone else..... It was just about done when i saw it on Saturday.....

 

Regardless of how someone is trying to market the M62 (or any such product) in the world of high performance the rule of thumb is to first eliminate the weakest link which is normally the head and headers. From there you go adding/changing induction. Serious engine builders will tell you that it makes no sense jamming more air in if the path through and out is inefficient. All it does it build heat and heat is the enemy.

 

I'm not trying to attack anyone... just frustrated because I still don't know what SpiderX started with before adding the M62 to get 40 to 50 ft-lbs. Let me put it this way - I have a 2005 JCW with no mods beyond the JCW kit and light 15" wheels - if I could add 40 to 50 lbs to that for $3.5k then I for one would be quite tempted to pony up and do it. I just have no idea whether 40 to 50 lbs is something I should look forward to because I don't know what the baseline is.

 

I think there may be another part of the picture your missing. Bob's car is the car a lot of people are interested in because of the facts you've stated. Bob has pretty much every bolt-on you could do with the M62 besides spraying it or TCing it. I dont care what a stock car with an M62 is pushing....I am well past that level in bolt-ons and i suspect so are majority of the people interested.

People are after Bobs info because its maxed....and they wanna compare that (or at least I do) with the TC's or conversion kits. I have a feeling not to many bone stock mini owners will be calling for M62's. They'll start with the 15's then work their way through the add ons and such till they realize or decide its time to change / add to their primary source of induction.

Also I don't really think anyone has attacked the M62 per say...my post was more directed at the fact that my simple question of how much HP (called M7) regarding Bobs car keeps being danced around and it's a little frustrating.

Just my thoughts

Seann

 

And I idly wonder how many people start out there.. Whatever. I'll go back to spectator-mode.

Thanks for clearing that up spiderx. Was fairly sure it was on yr car, just checking.

 

By the way, torque is measured in lbs-ft folks. Not lbs. If you want to add 20-50 lbs to your car, get a flashy set of dubs.

There, I've said it. Sorry, but I just had to get that out of my system because the references to adding 40-50 lbs are driving me nuts!

Just ignore the **** engineer lurking in the shadows and resume the debate.

Scott
90SM

 

There is a beta test car being fitted at DDM that is a 2006 JCW. It has no engine performance mods other than a ITG replacement foam air filter and the JCW airbox flap removed. Once that is complete, you should have a better idea of what an M62 should do on your car.

 

I deal with enough engineers that I do understand your need but I thought that was understood and I hate to type so I cut corners when I can

 

The **** engineer? Thats one profession I will stear clear from?

Just messin with ya.

BEATNUT

 

if you want the early numbers. Build one yourself. If you want to find out what others got to when they'd finished all the work, both the planned and the unplanned, then just wait patienty... There are what, less than 3 cars that have had this done? Somewhere around there? No where near enough to span the full space of cars initial set ups to get good numbers on what this will do.

So if you aren't an early adopter by nature, cool your jets. If you are, not having the numbers isn't an issue, as early adopters blaze the trail, so to speak, and accept the fact that sometimes they don't end up where they'd planned at first.

Or not!

Matt

 

Well said Matt

 

Howdy,
Since I like fishin'...I will open another can of worms...

Okay, dyno numbers are not exact imo, too many variables, times, temp, air to ic...bla...bla...bla.
Every kit has different benifits...for different people. The only way to know who has the biggest ...er I mean whose car can perform the best is to do it on a track...quarter mile...ralley...to and from the supermart...whatever:impatient How about a head to head shootout...sponsored by "insert name here".

Lets all take a deap breath and relax, the "numbers" will come. I think it is worth the wait for a product that has all the kinks worked out. Thanks everyone for the updates and info.

Ciao for now,
Frodo

 

What??? Wait till it has been tested and verified? But I want numbers now. How come you didn't have this dyno tested before you built it? With all of the advances in technology I don’t see how come you can’t plug the info into the computer and get the numbers before the car has even come off the drawing board. WTF. We should have had numbers before you even thought of doing this. (If you can't tell I am trying to lay the sarcasm on a little.)

 

The voice of reason.....

 

Please pass the popcorn.

 

actually, i am tired of being in this movie..... please make room on the couch....... and......pass the popcorn

 

 

Plenty of room, please bring me a coke. Let's see what they have to say without your input.

 

On tomorows episode of "The middle aged & Psychotic", will an unnamed woman from Idaho be caught making up false dyno numbers while giving birth to an alien, will the USDA discover that salt really has an oder?

Does anyone remember the Judson SC bolt on kit?