Drivetrain M62 SC on the MINI is reality
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I was just a bit premature.
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The M62 is not a new idea; it’s been around for a couple of years. I have driven a car with this kit at Mosport and I can say that it is quite impressive. But what needs to be understood here (and what is understood abroad) is that an uprated supercharger is the last, not first, modification that should be done.
Jamming more air in without a way to get it through and out is not a good idea. What BBR realizes is that to see the true benefit you will need a race style head and headers along with ecu programming (you can use a piggy-back on top of reprogramming but you cannot do some of the needed tweaks with one). Note that you will probably get the most benefit with an air-to-water or front mounted intercooler. You will also need fuel delivery modifications…
From: http://www.morego.co.uk/bbr-gti/mini.php#Phase4
BBR MINI COOPER S PHASE 4 275
This is the flagship of our supercharger conversions aimed at those who prefer the driving characteristics of a supercharger over a turbo. This is the ultimate supercharged MINI, which will shock even the most expensive super cars and give them a run for their money!
Engine Specification
Jamming more air in without a way to get it through and out is not a good idea. What BBR realizes is that to see the true benefit you will need a race style head and headers along with ecu programming (you can use a piggy-back on top of reprogramming but you cannot do some of the needed tweaks with one). Note that you will probably get the most benefit with an air-to-water or front mounted intercooler. You will also need fuel delivery modifications…
From: http://www.morego.co.uk/bbr-gti/mini.php#Phase4
BBR MINI COOPER S PHASE 4 275
This is the flagship of our supercharger conversions aimed at those who prefer the driving characteristics of a supercharger over a turbo. This is the ultimate supercharged MINI, which will shock even the most expensive super cars and give them a run for their money!
Engine Specification
- BBR Big valve, gas flowed and ported Cylinder head fitted with BBR camshaft
- BBR Solid tappet and uprated valve spring assembly
- BBR modified high mass air flow supercharger assembly (we ditch the original supercharger)
- BBR modified high flow fuel system and injectors
- BBR auxiliary high flow water pump assy. and redesigned coolant system
- BBR fixed tension belt drive assembly
- BBR high flow twin intercooler assembly
- BBR S/S exhaust system
- BBR Ram Induction Bonnet Air Inlet Venturi kit
- and of course BBR custom mapped software
Maybe we can end some of the endless speculation. I spoke with David Brodie of BBR-GTi about their kit. This kit utilizes the M62. The HP readings are at the crank. He said its sold as a kit because there's many other factors that make this thing work, esp the software. And the kit is added at the end of other mods that will allow for the efficient use of a higher air flow not before.
So... he said HP increase they've seen is between 18 - 24 HP. And torque can increase as much as 30 - 40 ft/lbs.
The kit they sell is around 12000 English Pounds, so $20K.
got that right! some have said in another thread that a Subaru STI has no soul. Funny bunch we got here at NAM
Let them eat cake huh
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I will start another thread over at MOTD07 so we can get organized...
Maybe we can end some of the endless speculation. I spoke with David Brodie of BBR-GTi about their kit. This kit utilizes the M62. The HP readings are at the crank. He said its sold as a kit because there's many other factors that make this thing work, esp the software. And the kit is added at the end of other mods that will allow for the efficient use of a higher air flow not before.
So... he said HP increase they've seen is between 18 - 24 HP. And torque can increase as much as 30 - 40 ft/lbs.
The kit they sell is around 12000 English Pounds, so $20K.
So... he said HP increase they've seen is between 18 - 24 HP. And torque can increase as much as 30 - 40 ft/lbs.
The kit they sell is around 12000 English Pounds, so $20K.
Just curious how they have that plumbed in with the stock IC.
BBR MINI COOPER S PHASE 3 255
"The BBR Phase Three includes phase 2 with the addition of BBR's twin high flow intercooler assembly. The conversion maintains the original top mounted intercooler and in addition uses a secondary front mounted cooler. This includes all related pipe work, clamps and fixtures, and as with all our conversions BBR custom mapped software."
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Maybe we can end some of the endless speculation. I spoke with David Brodie of BBR-GTi about their kit. This kit utilizes the M62. The HP readings are at the crank. He said its sold as a kit because there's many other factors that make this thing work, esp the software. And the kit is added at the end of other mods that will allow for the efficient use of a higher air flow not before.
So... he said HP increase they've seen is between 18 - 24 HP. And torque can increase as much as 30 - 40 ft/lbs.
The kit they sell is around 12000 English Pounds, so $20K.
So... he said HP increase they've seen is between 18 - 24 HP. And torque can increase as much as 30 - 40 ft/lbs.
The kit they sell is around 12000 English Pounds, so $20K.
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Correct. You've got to change many things.
When it is all said and done this M62 kit should be a great modifiactaion.
When it is all said and done this M62 kit should be a great modifiactaion.
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He was speaking of the whole kit which is everything listed. I am sure there is some gain without these, but to maximize the use of the sc's greater air flow yes more fuel, larger valves, and software to tune. That's why i think the SpiderX is probably the ideal setup to see what the sc alone does. The modded out cars hit a plateau at around 190 - 200 on a Helix type mustang dyno or around 230 - 240 on the dynojets.
After all is said and done, for those of us with 02 - 04. I wonder what's better the larger sc or switching tranny gears or both?
After all is said and done, for those of us with 02 - 04. I wonder what's better the larger sc or switching tranny gears or both?
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He was speaking of the whole kit which is everything listed. I am sure there is some gain without these, but to maximize the use of the sc's greater air flow yes more fuel, larger valves, and software to tune. That's why i think the SpiderX is probably the ideal setup to see what the sc alone does. The modded out cars hit a plateau at around 190 - 200 on a Helix type mustang dyno or around 230 - 240 on the dynojets.
After all is said and done, for those of us with 02 - 04. I wonder what's better the larger sc or switching tranny gears or both?
After all is said and done, for those of us with 02 - 04. I wonder what's better the larger sc or switching tranny gears or both?
Uhh??? Both
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Bob,
You will be getting a call from me sometime. I'm just up in Chattanooga and very interested.
I tried to find you in Nashville for MTTS, but my bad luck with a work crisis.
I will remember your offer and be down to Hotlanta sometime soon.
You will be getting a call from me sometime. I'm just up in Chattanooga and very interested.
I tried to find you in Nashville for MTTS, but my bad luck with a work crisis.
I will remember your offer and be down to Hotlanta sometime soon.
I spoke with Randy about a week ago and the exhaust is ready for production....it is only a matter of allocating resources
I spoke with Dave last night and the second car is just about done. He was planning on working all night.
I spoke with Peter who is anxiously awaiting his kit.....
I drove around last night with a huge grin on my face.... this car is really a kick to drive......
I keep saying and NO ONE has bothered.... come to Atlanta and I will give you the "tour"..... if you are really interested, (I know I would) this is not a big deal.....
"The soul of the Mini is the supercharger" - Sid Chang (MSFITOY) 11-16-06
I spoke with Dave last night and the second car is just about done. He was planning on working all night.
I spoke with Peter who is anxiously awaiting his kit.....
I drove around last night with a huge grin on my face.... this car is really a kick to drive......
I keep saying and NO ONE has bothered.... come to Atlanta and I will give you the "tour"..... if you are really interested, (I know I would) this is not a big deal.....
"The soul of the Mini is the supercharger" - Sid Chang (MSFITOY) 11-16-06
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He was speaking of the whole kit which is everything listed. I am sure there is some gain without these, but to maximize the use of the sc's greater air flow yes more fuel, larger valves, and software to tune. That's why i think the SpiderX is probably the ideal setup to see what the sc alone does. The modded out cars hit a plateau at around 190 - 200 on a Helix type mustang dyno or around 230 - 240 on the dynojets.
After all is said and done, for those of us with 02 - 04. I wonder what's better the larger sc or switching tranny gears or both?
After all is said and done, for those of us with 02 - 04. I wonder what's better the larger sc or switching tranny gears or both?
just pm me to meet up.... I am traveling some but we can find a date.... Iwill be in Orlando on Dec 13th-14th and I will be at the Dragon tomorrow....staying at Snowbird lodge
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).But I'll actually be in Atlanta tomorrow. Sorry for little notice, but PM'd.
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I had a ride in Bobs car during MTTS... it wasn't making the power it is now... but I could definetly feel the M62s kick... I think most people will think it's amazing....
as we say when people want a 700 WHP supra... do you know what a 500 WHP supra feels like?
this is where I draw the separation in numbers and real life... the M62 will prolly be right for 90% of it's market.... and then there's people like me.. who like spanking motorcycles with a Mini... LOL....
as we say when people want a 700 WHP supra... do you know what a 500 WHP supra feels like?
this is where I draw the separation in numbers and real life... the M62 will prolly be right for 90% of it's market.... and then there's people like me.. who like spanking motorcycles with a Mini... LOL....
I had a ride in Bobs car during MTTS... it wasn't making the power it is now... but I could definetly feel the M62s kick... I think most people will think it's amazing....
as we say when people want a 700 WHP supra... do you know what a 500 WHP supra feels like?
this is where I draw the separation in numbers and real life... the M62 will prolly be right for 90% of it's market.... and then there's people like me.. who like spanking motorcycles with a Mini... LOL....
as we say when people want a 700 WHP supra... do you know what a 500 WHP supra feels like?
this is where I draw the separation in numbers and real life... the M62 will prolly be right for 90% of it's market.... and then there's people like me.. who like spanking motorcycles with a Mini... LOL....
BTW, I hear the next M62 beta car is just about ready for delivery back to its owner.
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Thanks for the perspective, Tuls. As usual, you've hit the nail right on the head. Out of curiosity, approx. how much WHP are you running in your car now? I understand you've detuned it some for your day-to-day use.
BTW, I hear the next M62 beta car is just about ready for delivery back to its owner.
BTW, I hear the next M62 beta car is just about ready for delivery back to its owner.
oooOOOOooo a beta ready to go??? that will be great!... I have been interested to see where this will go....
As for my WHP... I tend to drive day to day at 350 WHP... LOL... yeah.. I know it's sooooo terrible... LOL.... weekends... who knows.... depends on getting 100+ octane.... and what's just pulled up next to me... LOL
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oooOOOOooo a beta ready to go??? that will be great!... I have been interested to see where this will go....
As for my WHP... I tend to drive day to day at 350 WHP... LOL... yeah.. I know it's sooooo terrible... LOL.... weekends... who knows.... depends on getting 100+ octane.... and what's just pulled up next to me... LOL
As for my WHP... I tend to drive day to day at 350 WHP... LOL... yeah.. I know it's sooooo terrible... LOL.... weekends... who knows.... depends on getting 100+ octane.... and what's just pulled up next to me... LOL
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heh... yeah... but even the manual one works if you just know it's the weekend and crank it....
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I had a ride in Bobs car during MTTS... it wasn't making the power it is now... but I could definetly feel the M62s kick... I think most people will think it's amazing....
as we say when people want a 700 WHP supra... do you know what a 500 WHP supra feels like?
this is where I draw the separation in numbers and real life... the M62 will prolly be right for 90% of it's market.... and then there's people like me.. who like spanking motorcycles with a Mini... LOL....
as we say when people want a 700 WHP supra... do you know what a 500 WHP supra feels like?
this is where I draw the separation in numbers and real life... the M62 will prolly be right for 90% of it's market.... and then there's people like me.. who like spanking motorcycles with a Mini... LOL....
