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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 04:44 AM
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Torque 190ft-lbs
Originally Posted by 62Lincoln
That is an impressive number, particularly when viewed in the context of this being a first test, with all sorts of parameters yet to be optimized. That result speaks directly to the impact of the M62, and the added efficiency it brings to the party versus the M45. There's a lot of upside potential here!
I understand that this is first test and more tuning is going to be done...I know that the tune is really going to be the key with this system...Your right I am a firm believer that there is a lot of potential here! I am really looking foward to the MTH tune.

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These numbers are WAY low (IMO)
That is just my opinion, everyone has one. I said what I did because my mini is making around 182lbs of TQ as it sits right now. I am very interested in this kit and only hope good things!

Originally Posted by Fireballed Tuls
The DSC does not need to be off... once the car senses that the back wheels are not spinning it will shut down... and remain off untill the car has been unstrapped and driven... so do not worry about that.....
I'm not trying to argue with you, I respect many of your posts and agree with what you have to say but my car must be different, when on the dyno the DSC will kick on and cut the throttle off. I have to manually turn it off. Maybe where trying to say the same thing

Thanks again for the up-date Peter, keep them coming -- Johan
 
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 07:55 AM
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I said what I did because my mini is making around 182lbs of TQ as it sits right now. -- Johan
Johan, is that 182lbs. at the wheels? What mods are you running for that result? That's a stout number!
 
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 09:37 AM
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Yes at the wheels, I sent you a PM to try to keep things on topic -- Johan
 
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 09:43 AM
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Cool!
 
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 11:39 AM
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Yes at the wheels -- Johan
wow, PMsent!
 
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 12:44 PM
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What kind of dyno are you guys using to tune Bob's car?

I apologize for off topic my numbers are from a chassis dyno that is based on the DynoJet Model 248 single drum. This dyno features a 48-inch diameter drum.

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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Johan
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What kind of dyno are you guys using to tune Bob's car?

I apologize for off topic my numbers are from a chassis dyno that is based on the DynoJet Model 248 single drum. This dyno features a 48-inch diameter drum.

Johan
so long as all your future comparisons are done on that type of dyno you'll see acurate improvement . cool #'s
 
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by herbie hind
so long as all your future comparisons are done on that type of dyno you'll see acurate improvement . cool #'s
That is not true. Even within the same manufacturer there are output differences. Not to mention all the variables I discuss on my web page such as IAT, oil and water temps, at least a 35,000 cfm fan for heat exchange, wheel slippage, and vehicle variables, e.g., break in, oil viscosity, and rotating mass differences.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 03:11 PM
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That is not true. Even within the same manufacturer there are output differences. Not to mention all the variables I discuss on my web page such as IAT, oil and water temps, at least a 35,000 cfm fan for heat exchange, wheel slippage, and vehicle variables, e.g., break in, oil viscosity, and rotating mass differences.
Nothing is stopping you or anybody else from taking into account most of those variables. Pay attention to IAT, ECT, knock. Run the same tires, the same tranny gear, the same tie-down strap orientation, the same fans and locations. Once your setup is as close to identical as possible, then your error goes way down. Note I didn't say the error is gone, just reduced. Obviously there is a measurement error tolerance. Many of us are not new to this forum like you are, so please don't treat us like dummies. If you want to get serious, start publishing numbers generated from an engine dyno cell in a controlled environment. Most of use aren't that well funded, so we do our best to reduce error on the chassis dyno. I also don't want to hear how you've been in the industry for 100,000 years. For all we know, you've been doing things wrong all that time.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 05:01 PM
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You took my words out of context. Read post #958.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 04:06 AM
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Post #24: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=80303

Best read on NAM in a while from someone within the profession. Supports what Don is saying here.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2006 | 09:13 AM
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Hello from Florence, Italy

I am in an internet cafe across from the Pitti Palace....yep that' right....

I have seen a lot of "old stuff" including the "David"..... pretty impressive.

I'm wondering how the car is doing as I have not been in touch for a week

I hope all is well,

Bob
 
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Old Sep 30, 2006 | 09:25 AM
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Hello from Florence, Italy

I am in an internet cafe across from the Pitti Palace....yep that' right....

I have seen a lot of "old stuff" including the "David"..... pretty impressive.

I'm wondering how the car is doing as I have not been in touch for a week

I hope all is well,

Bob
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Old Sep 30, 2006 | 09:44 AM
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no truth to the rumour...... wash your mouth out with soap..... and ruin a beautiful thing...... no offense to marrriage..... it's wonderful..... I just have not had good luckj with it


back to cars..... I wonder how it is doing.... Stratmosphere was supposed to send a header and I have a 59 tb from M7 coming to replace my 62...... curious about the tweeks that Dave is doing.....

I have not driven anything for week and really like some of the cars that we never see in the states.

more later,

Bob
 
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Old Sep 30, 2006 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SpiderX
Hello from Florence, Italy

I am in an internet cafe across from the Pitti Palace....yep that' right....

I have seen a lot of "old stuff" including the "David"..... pretty impressive.

I'm wondering how the car is doing as I have not been in touch for a week

I hope all is well,

Bob

Bob

Go rent a road bike in Florence and head down towards Greve and Sienna. Fantastic riding and great gelato!

You must rent a car in Florence and go check out [FONT=MS Sans Serif]Passo del Muraglione [/FONT]just outside of Florence. It rivals the Dragon as one of my all time favorite roads.Details can be found here. http://www.cimt.it/toscana_roads.htm
There is a cafe on top of the pass where you can grab a bite and hang out with all the cool cars and motorcycles.

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Old Sep 30, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SpiderX
no truth to the rumour...... wash your mouth out with soap..... and ruin a beautiful thing...... no offense to marrriage..... it's wonderful..... I just have not had good luckj with it


back to cars..... I wonder how it is doing.... Stratmosphere was supposed to send a header and I have a 59 tb from M7 coming to replace my 62...... curious about the tweeks that Dave is doing.....

I have not driven anything for week and really like some of the cars that we never see in the states.

more later,

Bob
Mouth cleaned with Ivory...anyway...just remember one thing while in Italy...stopping at red lights is an option and drag racing at green isn't
 
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Old Sep 30, 2006 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SpiderX
Hello from Florence, Italy

II'm wondering how the car is doing as I have not been in touch for a week

I hope all is well,

Bob
I bet you do, as we do too. Now you know how all of us who've been following this thread have felt over the last few weeks. The irony of it being your car however makes this sublime.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2006 | 11:21 PM
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
and it seems that the 62 can reach performance areas that the 45 is incapable of.... more interesting every day!

Matt
if the 62 makes say ....too much boost for low charge temps to be possible ; wouldn't cooling the charge in a large intercooler not only reduce the boost enough but bring the temps down nicely ?
 
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 05:45 PM
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We need an update! I'm going crazy waiting for this!
 
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 06:24 PM
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M7 states a 40whp over baseline. What was the baseline setup? If 40 over stock S, very disappointing. If 40 over stage 4 tuning, very impressive for a first iteration.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 07:10 PM
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I believe this was on SpiderX's car (You can see his specs on his sig). M7 has stated many times that this setup with no other mods, will provide about 195 wheel HP, or about a 30% increase in HP. This is also going to provide a cooler intake charge, which should in theory mean better reliability than just throwing a pulley on.

Originally Posted by lhoboy
M7 states a 40whp over baseline. What was the baseline setup? If 40 over stock S, very disappointing. If 40 over stage 4 tuning, very impressive for a first iteration.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rustyboy155
This is also going to provide a cooler intake charge, which should in theory mean better reliability than just throwing a pulley on.
Yea but a pulley only cost $130
 
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Old Oct 2, 2006 | 03:35 AM
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I guess the kit is going to be aimed for MINIs with basic mods..
because 190 ish whp isn't really expensive thing to do
 
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Old Oct 2, 2006 | 06:26 AM
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I would be willing to be an early adopter....

MINIBLU is currently down due to what I believe to be a nearly dead SC. If the dealership bill is going to be in the the 3K range for an M45 I would surely spend the same money on an M62.

DDM if you are watching this thread please contact me. I am in Columbia. The car is at Hendrick in Charlotte. I could get it to you this weekend if need be.

Thanks
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