Once again, data is not the plural of anecdote. I've had my Turbokompressor Mini for a year with a full season of autocrossing (with codrivers and many,many fun-runs) plus track days, daily driving and lots of "spirited" red light to red light sprints. I can't say that because mine has been perfectly durable that they all are, just like you can't say they're all fragile because you know of one that is.

You're also trying to compare TC durability (with 3+ years of existence) to a completely untried modification. Please keep your unwarranted generalizations to yourself.

 

That's odd. I keep reading "not yet, not yet, not yet" and "keep yer pants on".

Look forward to hearing your adventure into the +hp realm. Good luck!

 

I don't see the comparison need.

We have Mini Cooper, S, JCW, now M62 and TC. Exactly were the M62 will fall is an unkown BUT I am guessing like I presented it between the JCW and TC.
And there is even more with Mini-maddness stages, M7 stages, ect........ AND to make matters worse 2007 is turbo.

Its a matter of degrees - and for each of us thats different. I think the focus needs to be more on what each delivers - covering pros/cons (for they all have pros and cons).

 

Hahaha... Yes please end all talking of speculation and bench racing...

 

That would end about 90% of the traffic in this forum


Boooooo....ring

 

my favorite is when people say well my car makes the same power as yours so its as fast as yours in the quarter!

LOL! i love it!

 

Or they think they can pull the same time as a professional driver

 

Ok, it's them v us

1 They always have better..... EVERYTHING than us.

2 And, yes, if they have the same as us they are just as quick, if not quicker.

These 2 items are undisputed facts. The proof is, I very rarely loose to any of them ( they always have some kind of glitch )

Back to the thread. You know these cars will never have the aftermarket that Honda, VW, BMW have, which is unfortunate. The cost will remain high for the kinds of mods this market is hungry for. This is why the M62 is so atractive. If this mod can deliver another 30hp without doing anything else, no head, header, pulley or CAI, it's an absolute bargin at somewhere around 3K. Remember the bolt on Judson, 3 maybe 4 lbs of boost? They could be modded to around 12lbs so your 60 Sprite would blow up big time. The M62 is a different animal as is the purpose built SC Mini. Bottom line... It's something to look foward to............

 

So, I just want to be sure my expecations are in line here... Are we saying that the M62 lit will take a bone-stock 168 hp MCS and add 30 hp? Or are we saying that it will add 30 hp to a 15% pulley car? I've seen someone post that it will be part way between a JCW car and a Stage 1 TC car. So are we talking about around 230 hp? And just to be clear, do we mean power to the wheels?

 

This is what is being determined right now so the expectations of the buyers are met...... there are 4 cars now and one to come at different levels of tune...... kits are being fashioned as we speak.....there will be numbers on a JCW car as well as an almost stock car as well as a lightly modified car......

M7 is going to put the 62 on one of it's M7 tuned cars to get a "max" number.... all this is being done so that YOU.... the end user, will feel they got exactly what was paid for and what they expected...... another thing as an aside but Gr8force sent his car to Greenville after riding in mne...... that should tell you something

just my opinion but 30 whp is within the parameters..... keep in mind that the torque is what you feel and in my opinion where the fun is.....

 

It's the torque. It's always the torque unless you want a high winder ... And that's JUST NOT that much fun on the street... exactly where is the fun with a high winder?

 

well... on the higher portion of the tach duh


sorry i just couldn't leave that alone...

all in all actuallity think of it this way...

a dodge viper is fun to drive and so is a f430 ferrari...

 

All the 182 lbs ... I'm interested in more numbers.

 

My car makes more power than yours and is faster than yours

 

Relax.......

Please understand that all this takes time and there's nothing that whining
or bitching will do to speed all this up. And just for the record it was 190 ftlbs
and that was before the Uni-Chip was dialed in.

As Spider said, more #'s are forth coming....soon.

peter
Team M7
562-608-8123

 

Confused.. Are thosenumbers with the M62?

 

I am very relaxed

I stand corrected, 190 was the number for the m62, thank you Peter. 182 was my TQ number

I am patiently waiting

 

Have you or anyone else applied for patients on your design?

 

I doubt that they could apply for patents on anything other than the ECU mapping (and then, it's probably not a patent but a copywrite or something else like that). The kit is a collection of parts that are commercially available from other sources. They (not so simply) do the R&D work and package those components to make our lives easier and make a margin on the units delivered.

Technically we could all go out and buy the parts and have the upgraded car dyno tuned. Practically, it would be a PITA to assemble all of the parts, trial fit everything (maybe fabbing a bracket or two), get it all assembled and find someone competent to do the mapping (while paying a ton of $ for the very custom, one-off map).

Keep it up guys! I love the idea of keeping true to the Supercharger roots of the engine and having a less extreme, large power mod for the engine for those of us who don't want to go turbo.

I'm looking forward to the results of the multi-car beta testing. If I had the $$$ and didn't like my warranty period as much, I would have been all over that! Hopefully I'll be talking to one of you developers in a few years.

 

The map can't be extremely "custom." You are only adding a few more cfm. The boost ramp isn't radically different. Shouldn't be too hard to tune...

 

There are a few extra challenges.... really the tune is getting the fuel trim right but there are a few ......as I said.... challlenges.....

the car is running beyond my vision ..... I am very happy with the outcome......

 

Don't forget that not only was the Unichip not tuned for that run but the header was bad too! It was very trashed. I don't know how he did a run with that trashed three ways till Thur. much less even run at all.

In the meantime, Icarus is still at DDM -sigh- going through all those finalized measurements for a bracket here, a bolt there and a whatever there. Dyno run tuned that way. Another run tuned another way. All the time the best time of the year for motoring with a cabrio is quickly slipping away. I still firmly believe the M62 will be so worth it and that's without seeing any numbers or hearing of any that you guys haven't read about here. Talk about a leap of faith! Like Peter said, kwitchyerbitchin. Bob went 10 weeks? without his and I'm going on week 6. -sigh- All this so when you buy yours from M7 you'll be able to slap it on in a day! Sounds like a bargain to me!

 

I can truly say "I feel your pain"...... it was more like 12 weeks...... and you are right, when the "beta" is over, it will go on in a day.....

 

Wow! 12 weeks! Without your Mini and I'm only at 6. Talk about the paitence of Job and that doesn't include the clean up time for some non-M62 related issues after all that! That was another two weeks at least. I don't know how you did it but thanks for blazing the way.

 

I just want to say thanks for the R&D and work to ensure we get a product that works as it should.

If they rushed this and something was not up to par we would be honked to say the least. I can wait...and save my money...