Actually bob I am on the East Coast. Problem was I had forgotten that I had all ready arranged to pit crew for number 48 in the ITS class at Road Atlant this past weekend. The car was totaled anyways so I have regrets on that one for sure.

Anyways I am having to have my intercooler piping redone because of a lot boost leaks in the welds... Could only make 23psi with the wastegate disconnected....

 

I know you are in the carolinas but Camel is out west...

It would have been nice to see your car.... building "new" stuff has its issues... 23 lbs... we run about 20 but we also have to spin the SC... what is your target for psi?

 

I can kind of understand Camels frustration. I have PM'd Spider back and forth as well as some of the involved vendors and while everyone has been pleasant, helpful and informative they all seem to be dancing around the "how much HP does this make" and replace it with "you'll get this much torque".

It is quite frustrating and has basically lead me to the conclusion that the kit doesn't live up to the suggested hype it had in the begining....but all in all is still a nice option for dudes looking for max power without messing with a turbo.

Seann

 

SpiderX, I have been reading your contributions with great interest - thanks for having been the "guinea pig". Was the 40-50 ft-lbs of extra torque what you saw, or what was expected? And is that referenced to a baseline S with stock pulley?

 

The M62 is not a new idea; it’s been around for a couple of years. I have driven a car with this kit at Mosport and I can say that it is quite impressive. But what needs to be understood here (and what is understood abroad) is that an uprated supercharger is the last, not first, modification that should be done.
Jamming more air in without a way to get it through and out is not a good idea. What BBR realizes is that to see the true benefit you will need a race style head and headers along with ecu programming (you can use a piggy-back on top of reprogramming but you cannot do some of the needed tweaks with one). Note that you will probably get the most benefit with an air-to-water or front mounted intercooler. You will also need fuel delivery modifications…


From: http://www.morego.co.uk/bbr-gti/mini.php#Phase4
BBR MINI COOPER S PHASE 4 275
This is the flagship of our supercharger conversions aimed at those who prefer the driving characteristics of a supercharger over a turbo. This is the ultimate supercharged MINI, which will shock even the most expensive super cars and give them a run for their money!
Engine Specification

• BBR Big valve, gas flowed and ported Cylinder head fitted with BBR camshaft
• BBR Solid tappet and uprated valve spring assembly
• BBR modified high mass air flow supercharger assembly (we ditch the original supercharger)
• BBR modified high flow fuel system and injectors
• BBR auxiliary high flow water pump assy. and redesigned coolant system
• BBR fixed tension belt drive assembly
• BBR high flow twin intercooler assembly
• BBR S/S exhaust system
• BBR Ram Induction Bonnet Air Inlet Venturi kit
• and of course BBR custom mapped software

 

or you can go turbo or TCed and make as much as 400 WHP or more with only NEEDING pistons...

 

BBR Twin High flow intercooler....??? How efficient would that be?

Seann

 

and you get lots of torque with that too! Plus, who doesn't like the sound of a blow off valve? "I mean, come on pe-pole!"

 

Actually there are quite a few that don't like that sound . We think the common rule is that the louder the blow off valve the younger the driver . The WRX crew can be really obnoxious until you mention that REAL race cars IE: WRC never sound like that.

 

LOL cause the SC is not as loud? I used to have install parties all the time... I could hear them from blocks aways... come one with the "louder the blow off valuve" blah blah blah... so I guess I am an infant... cuase I love it...

anyway back on topic.. you can achive plenty of TQ or HP many ways... I think the issue Bob is having is he is happy with his car... but M62 was hyped up... this has happened many times... and not people are fed up... they want #s they want the Hype to to stop... is it really going to change whhether people buy this to not...I don't think so... maybe not as many will... but why would someone if it doesn't make the 300 HP that was originally discussed...

But as Bob said... it's not his place to say... ok... then let's shut down this thread... cuase I too am tired of the lack of in formation... or someone bolt it on a stock MCS and tell us what it makes... someone do something ppleaaase! LOL.. I just wanna know!

 

Second that. I've always wondered why they can't make good, strong, aftermarket turbo systems without the obnoxious bov noise. Then again, I'm one of those types who would rather have a car that looks and sounds tamer than it really is.

 

Here's part of the problem with releasing numbers. Bob's car is a heavily modified car. It's an amazingly nice machine, but truthfully way over the top for what most people are going to run. It would be like you, Tuls and FTR, releasing a turbo only conversion, saying you got almost 600 WHP (which is completely sick, BTW) with the kit. Well, it's pretty obvious that the kit to reach that number would involve a great deal more than a moderately simple bolt on out of the box kit costing under $5K. You have an extreme car, and people with otherwise bone stock cars would be irrate if you didn't tell them there was no way the kit would give them 600 WHP.

So ultimately, the kit is being bolted on to cars from stock to different levels of modification, and numbers with those configurations will mean a lot more to most people. Please try to be patient. There's no reason for anyone to be attacking the M62 conversion because it's not their own or their favorite vendor's product. Different strokes, people.

 

I understand... If released a 600 WHP kit though... it would make 600 WHP... but uhh $5000.00 is not gunnah be enough! LOL...

I don't think it's attacking hte M62... It's the lack of knowledge... and it makes people irritated... I was just trying to come up with a solution... I say shut it down till there is info

Bob is happy... yay!

 

Come on, Tuls, you can't make 600 WHP with $5K? And here I thought you were THE man.

Just kidding!

But you are right. It's coming, just need to wait for it, rather then getting irritated. And there are some people attacking Bob and the kit. No reason.

 

Dave,

Thanks for your comments and reference to BBR's experience and products. From my discussions with tuners and design folks, as well as the more meaningful comments on this and other threads, it seems that to realize the full potential of a M62 supercharger in the Mini, one really needs to have different injectors, a properly modified head/header/exhaust, and a retuned ECU.

With a M62 kit in the $3.5k range, and the other appropriate mods in the $4+k range (without labor charges), the cost for a "properly" equipped M62 car jumps to a questionable level considering the putative benefit . My car is highly modified with just about every goody short of a TC or straight turbo. I had been working with a company in California to do a M62 for my Mini, but recently decided that the cost:benefit just wasn't worth it, even though I already have bigger injectors, different camshaft, p/p head and custom 3" header/exhaust. However, a "proper" M62 equipped car would have a significant "kool" factor...

 

The hype really wasn't Bob. So why he is now "the bad guy" is just silly.

The M62 is an interesting concept. It has potential and I'm curious to see what that may flesh into but it's still only been a few months.

Why is reporting torque gains an issue? It's just plain stupid to complain that no HP figures are being mentioned, only torque. WTF???

So much whining about pricing with people just pulling figures out of their a$$ it's ridiculous.

It'll work or it won't. People will buy it or they won't. It'll ship or it won't.

If you want to pi&& about speculation, play the stock market.

Life's too short.

 

that's what I said... "If released a 600 WHP kit though... it would make 600 WHP... but uhh $5000.00 is not gunnah be enough! LOL... "

 

I know that's what you said! I was agreeing with you, and being sarcastic at the same time.

I can make 600 WHP with <$5K, though. So nyah!






Just....not in a MINI....

 

Attack away...... I'm a big boy......

Everyone wants this done..... this process has been longer than anyone (me) imagined...... $ and time..... wish I had more for the Mini community ....

 

BBR doesn't mention that an M62 is being used they just say "BBR modified high mass air flow supercharger assembly (we ditch the original supercharger)" sounds like it may be a ported/polished M45.

 

the info that I found on the p/p M45 was that it did very little..... I was very interested in this before the 62 came to my attention..... some said they actually lost power after the install of a p/p m45....

 

BBR was using a completely different sc not a p/p.

 

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peace... i was not speaking of BBR...... actually this happened in Portland I think

 

IMO an additional 40-50 TQ will transform the car much more than an additional 40-50 WHP would. Don't get caught up in HP numbers alone.