I'd rather not add another 1200-1500 bucks to the bill of mods :-).

 

some or any data yet?

 

first dyno Thursday.......this is first pass to check out the tune etc.... we are still running very low/safe 11s in the a/f

 

Just curious....what are you using to measure the a/f?

The reason I ask is....
When on the dyno, I was reading 10-11 on my AEM gauge, but the tail pipe sniffer was readying 11-12 uptop.

 

I think I will wait longer than 2-4 weeks of testing to be done to find out all of the problems that will rear it's head over the next several months. This beta period seems rushed to me. Maybe I am just over reacting but to test something like this and sell it without knowing the long term damages to the car is just not right. Sorry to be a wet blanket.

 

No, you make a good point. There are a number of long-term issues that could arise. Don't ask me to enumerate them--I'm not an engineer. But, those who invest in this mod should understand that deviating from OEM can cause a change in performance and longevity. Everybody likes to consider the performance benefits; at least the developers are making some effort to document the effects this system has beyond a few minutes on the dyno.

dan
(for the record: I think this M62 idea is excellent...)

 

The particular brand of the "wide band" I am not sure....it is installed in a bung in the exhaust.....not a tail sniffer...... not sure of the exact position, it was installed when Dave picked me up on Saturday and I never saw the position.....

 

putting a 62 on an engine is a very common mod.... these things are on lots of cars and truck already.... the hp we are looking for is well within the capabilities of the engine......electric water pumps are nothing new either....this is not cutting edge stuff at all it is just new to the Mini.....now if we were twin charging the 62 ....which I am sure someone will try..... that would make me nervous.....

 

While I agree it is a common mod on other cars it is new to the Mini. Can you be 100% sure there will be no long term damage?

 

absolutely.... 100% guaranteed.....no way..... never happen.....death and taxes kind of stuff......by now you know I am facitious....

is there anything mechanical or electrical that is 100%?


what most of you don't know about me is that I am very conservative when it comes to my investments..... my Mini is an asset..... I am not a huge risk taker..... what most of you should know is that I am not a stock holder or employed by M7 or DDM..... .....I am like you guys... a Mini nut.....lucky enough to get involved in this..... I honestly think this is a pretty safe mod.... look at the TC cars..... they are making some huge power...... I am betting my engine and believe me that is a bet I do not want to lose.....

 

What has the reliability of the twincharge cars been? From scanning old threads it seems they have had their own issues with broken pistons. I am glad you are putting your money into this for the community but I think it is prudent to let this play out before everyone gets in over their financial heads into something that may be dangerous for their engines.

 

time will tell..... it is OK not to be an "early adopter" you have to be comfortable with your decisions as well as any other people looking at this kit or for that matter any mod..... people will do the due diligence and decide......

 

So at this time tomorrow we might see tq/hp/afr curves for Bob's car? Yay!

 

Then there's the CARB issue... Are DDM/M7 pursuing CARB certification? Some SMOG shops in CA are a real PIA when it comes to the visual inspection...

 

Hi Eric......

We are not selling the M62 unit as a California CARB approved system to start with. We will certainly look in to the possibillity in the future.

As for purchasing the kit here in CA.... It will be up to the consumer to
make that choice...

PS. The chance of a smog referee finding the M62 SC in the engine bay is close to zero.
One of our dealers in Nashville could not find "The Big Uppgrade" in the engine compartment.
And this guy has a MINI S...

peter
Team M7
562-608-8123

 

Thanks, Peter.
Yeah, in CA it's hit or miss. I've had several inspectors gloss over my M45 in the Miata, others have refused to pass it even with the EO # and paperwork - they wanted a sticker on the SC.

 

I think in our case, with a SC there from the factory, differentiating an M45 from an M45/M62 hybrid will be a much different story. A keen eye might be able to locate the electric water pump, but I've heard that it is pretty well concealed... Yes, I still have your belt!

 

Just to drive Peter's story... we asked several people in Nashville to find it and none did..... and these are Mini people ....... that is one of the beauties of this mod..... the particular person Peter is reffering to has a very highly modded Mini and sells them.....

 

YO! blah blah blah... what happened on the dyno?! LOL WOO WOO!

 

Ya, we want dyno #'s!

 

It's FRIDAY already...

 

Ohhh so curious......
Lots of news for all of you, all very exciting and positive...

Remember that the numbers we are releasing today are very early Beta
Horsepower and Torque figures. I would have prefered to be at this particular
test, as it is the baseline that we will be working from, but the logistics and timing did not work out that way. Also, keep in mind that we are intentionally withholding certain numbers and variables from public view at this time.

So what happened and what didn't?

The dyno operator forgot to turn the DSC off... on all the runs, but with no one with extenstive MINI tuning experience around, I can't blame him too much.

Intercooler cooling was also very questionable at best. The DFIC does need flow thru that can only be achieved with a high speed scroll fan, or possibly water misting thru the core.

The software on this car is a Unichip. Fuel was baselined on the streets of Atlanta and basically roughed in to find the proper injector size. Ignition advance was not touched at all.

Pulley size is being revised, but we are still working within a very safe zone
of operation.

Boost, all I can say is wow! We are now seeing great numbers at very low
boost pressures, low IAT's and EGT's. This is great, as thermal impact on the pistons and valves are greatly minimized.


We achieved 40whp over baseline

Torque 190ft-lbs

What can be expected from the next dyno pull? DSC off.. a new fuel and
more aggressive ignition map. Proper cooling of the DFIC and Revised
pulley size.

While Bob's car is being tested and tuned, M7 will have some cars in Los Angeles tested and tuned with a custom written MTH map, allowing us to
raise the RPM as high as 8k.

peter
Team M7
562-608-812

 

The twincharge kits didn't break pistons, detonation frombad tuning breaks pistons. SpiderX isn't risking anything unusual here; the bigger blower will gain minor improvement in VE. Fueling will have to be enriched slightly, but like he already said, he's running 11.0:1 which is good. Ignition mapping is probably similar to stock, which is conservative to say the least. I see no reason he'll have any catastrophic problems.

 

SWEET! Can't wait for the REAL #'s.

 

Any chance you'd be interested in another early adopter . Plans for now are a port and polished head, intake manifold, cams, the m62 kit, software, and an exhaust. I'm probably going to skip a header only because I don't wanna make it too loud. This is assuming of course you don't have the kit ready for general purchase in a few weeks. I would be more than happy to talk about observations, but I can't really give in person updates, cause I won't be in LA much...

This kit is going to be nice!!!

Keep the info flowing!