The rationale explained. Thanks John!

 

Disclaimer - I have not seen any real numbers nor heard of any.

Based on my ride in the car, your numbers are...let's just say conservative.

 

for spider to get to 250, he has to lose the 15% m45, which ought to drop him back 20 whp from his present 215 to say, 195. that would mean the m62 transplant and super-tune would have to produce 55whp. might be asking a lot

 

That's something I've thought about.

If it adds 40 hp, but he has to drop it back 20, then that additional 20 hp is probably $4500 with installation, tuning, ancillary parts.

My new '06 is close to where Spider's is (correction - was), and once the M62 excitment abates, the numbers look a bit more stark for a highly modified car. Especially if the M62 (only!) picks up 30 hp, which is a net 10 hp pick-up.

On the other hand, wouldn't installing the M62 on a stock or lightly modified car be much more bang for the buck?

If I'm at 210 whp, I may not be as likely to want to spend $4500 for a 20 hp net gain.

But maybe I'm missing something.

Hate to admit it, but I hope I am!

Anyway, it may be that it has a big fat torque curve.

Yeah!!!

 

I think there is going to be more to this mod then just hp numbers. In addition it seems like there is alot of 2+2=4 hp math being tossed around here. When in reality 2+2=3 alot of the times when trying to find horsepower figures for mods.

I'd just wait until you get an actual hp/torque graph and a real write up before we start making speculations as to what it will and will not do.

just my .02
erik

 

These last two posts (riffing on JLM's thoughts) are good food for thought. My slightly different take is to add that the typical MINI peak HP number is at the upper limit of its RPM capability, whereas the torque peak is usually in the 'heart' of the RPM range. I'm most interested in how the M62 torque curve looks, and how high that figure goes. HP peaks can be somewhat manipulated with higher rpm peaks, and frankly don't necessarily translate into real world useable performance (of course, some of you guys would use every bit of the rpms ), but a materially altered torque curve and peak will be felt in day to day driving. Sure will be interesting as more information is developed.

 

This is where this thread started... telling us all about a cool new possible product and telling us all to wait for dyno numbers before any projections or claims are made.

They probably have SpiderX's car on the dyno for the tune. Hold on a few more days. When they have real numbers, I'm sure they will share 'em with us.

We may have to wait a bit longer to see the new parts put back onto a stock car so we can see what it will do for folks like myself with stock engine compartments.

 

Wasn't it said earlier that a M62 Miata was putting down 300? If so, (I really don't know), I would like to think that we can get more than 240-250whp. But to be honest, 240-250 works for me quite well though...

 

i dont think i would be complaining either if i had 250 whp.

 

Agree 100% re torque

 

Without any major tweaking, the sport compact car m62 Miata was producing 26 more whp than the m45.

For those that missed the article on a previous page.
M62 Miata

Joe

 

Yeah, I was the one who provided that link actually. But someone had said earlier that it was tuned up to 300... Maybe that is not really the case. Either way, we will see soon enough what it can do on a MINI!

 

the onoly prob there is that's on a 1.8 liter... which could make a difference... maybe like 10% I dunno...

 

1) video is a lot easier said than done when you are dealing with time lines people 60 mi apart and injectors that don't provide enough fuel... I could go on and on... i made the comment several times that i wish we had video for all of this.....what we needed was a film crew to follow us around.... We did not sleep a lot

The car is going to the dyno on Thursday..... Dave has other small mods and refinements he wants to make.... Dave really is anxious to post numbers so you will have them

2) the original stock car does not still have the 62... something about the car belonging to his girlfriend..don't know exactly

3) my car was in the 215 neighborhood but the cat went bad and with the cat clogged the dyno delta was 200 whp ... the car currently has no cat until Milltek comes through....my cat was a mess with large parts of the flex joint in it.... ave brought be a baggie full of chards.....nice..... hopefully this week the new one will be here..... the ID is slightly larger in the Milltek than the Meghan

4) I think JLMs's guesstimate of 245-250 could be about right... so far there has been no timing manipulation and the A/F is at a conservative 11.0 - 11.3 ish..... there is much more to be had leaning it out some.. high 11s - 12.... and the timing may give us some more...... we can burn 93 here in GA so that is what we will tune for..... (the Unichip now has 5 programable maps)

5) there is no way that the kit is only adding 20whp..... I would bet $1.00 on it.... we are hoping for a 30% increase which will give us about 260 etc (but we don't know)...... I can't tell you some of the amazing things because of board rules but let us say the car is fun and surprised the poop out of 1 very "hot" car who wanted to toy with the lowly Mini... the real kick and the number we are excited to see is torque...this is a very different car and the torque is very, very strong... I have not driven a TC car but I have driven about everything else and no Mini I have driven even comes close....not close.......not close

6) I do not want to give specifics about pullies etc because there are other people who are developing and it is not fair for me to help them.....there will be a variety of options and performance expectations ......

7) Dave very much wants to find 5 people who want to be beta test sites for the kit..... he is looking for 5 very different cars.... some close to stock, more modified, pretty heavily modified etc to get a very across the board sampling..... this is to get more data ..... if you are interested contact Peter at M7..... there will be a price established...... this is pretty fast track.....

8) I am thrilled with the performance of this kit and if i don't get 1 more whp out of it I am very pleased..... we are doing our best to keep the info flowing.... if you want a kit and want to participate you can be very helpful in helping supply data to the market....... yes, I am having fun

9) I forgot 19 - 20 lbs of boost with no obstructions but the Meghan and Milltek.....there will be a test done with no exhaust to see the net possible gain

 

I can be a Midwest guinea pig!! My car would probably fall into the heavily modded. Also , a nice little bonus, is that Waylan works with me so I would have him for installing/tuning , etc...

 

Great post Bob... keep us up as you can... jsut to cliarify... I meant 10% difference from the 1.8 liter... not 10% gain for the MINI

I personally am most curious what the 62 does for a stock MINI... as with most of the testing I have done in reference would be on a stock car... er... rather no head work.... no pulley...(for TC stuff ofcourse)

I don't think you can compare the TC to an SC car

on a 300 whp TC at 2000 rpms it makes 150 ft lbs of tq with a peak at 4500 of 275 ft lbs at which point HP takes over...

SCs do not boost like turbos... it's RPM driven... which is why I think it's tough to compare...

I am excited though to see where this is all going...

 

Hi Tuls,

when I said nothing comes close i meant Minis that i have driven... never drove TC car and would not begin to compare....

my best to you and "SG"

Bob

 

Man...I wish I knew that I would have a dress to join this party

 

Oh I didn't mean it that way... don't worry Bob... I am on your side... no nay saying here... I am just waiting anxiously.....

I was just making a blanket statment about the TQ of the TC since there are alot wondering how it compares... in the end.. If I had the $ right now I would be doing this my self just to find out..LOL... you know me... I am always up for testing and pushing the limits

 

You would love it now... it is at least 30% stronger that what you felt in Nashville.....

 

Huh??????

 

The Latest Hot Mini Skirt you're wearing

 

This is sounding like a big improvement in the torque curve to me.

Not to say hp doesn't improve as well. But...

Frankly, if horsepower on my car didn't budge, but torque went up 30%, I'd be thrilled...

 

You will most likely be very happy..... as you know i have driven your car...

 

Don't forget about the parasitic loss dropped from the lack of a belt-driven water pump, for one.