Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R56) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

Drivetrain CAI for R56 (home made)

Old May 22, 2007 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by benfica09
pretty sure he's got a filter in there. would be crazy not to.
not sure what brand his is but it looks like the BMC-CDA CF box/filter.
http://www.bmcairfilters.com
Sure I have the filter in the box. It comes ready with the filter and yes it`s BMC-CDA.
 
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Old May 22, 2007 | 01:35 PM
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yeah, i figured it was a stupid question, i've just never seen those before. in general, what is the performance like with those type filters compared to cone or drop-in panel?
 
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Old May 22, 2007 | 04:12 PM
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A somewhat related note on our homemade CAI

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...=1#post1536402
 
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Old May 22, 2007 | 05:24 PM
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FYI...I found this web site while looking for custom parts for another car. http://www.sfxperformance.com/parts/Universal/Universal/Air~Intake~Systems/index.htm

There are tons of custom sized tubes and different cone filters to choose from. Someone who wants to make their own air intake can get many choices here.

Some nice looking parts...IMO...this is how these types of mods should be done. A $250 CAI could be put together by the cars owner for much much less!
 
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Old May 22, 2007 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DyeLooper
What do people think of this setup, was on the Mini2 site. Also, my hood scoop has about 10+ open holes in it allowing air under the hood. Does everyone have this or are their scoops all molded closed?
anyone knows where can i get this set up
 
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Old May 22, 2007 | 06:27 PM
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hi

Originally Posted by DyeLooper
What do people think of this setup, was on the Mini2 site. Also, my hood scoop has about 10+ open holes in it allowing air under the hood. Does everyone have this or are their scoops all molded closed?
what did you use for this set up dyelooper?
 
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Old May 22, 2007 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by spam052
what did you use for this set up dyelooper?

That was on the mini 2 site. I did not do that to my ride.
 
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Old May 22, 2007 | 08:14 PM
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try this link:

http://www.knfilters.com/universal/apollo.htm
 
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Old May 24, 2007 | 05:58 AM
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thnks dye just sent for this kit. got it on the k & n website.
 
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Old May 26, 2007 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DyeLooper
Does anyone have any experience with this system? It seems to me that one of these Apollo filters hooked straight to the MAF with some custom tubing to the stock elbow could potentially be a great system providing total suction from the front grille inlet. The ability to add heat-resistant tape around the system (filter and tubing) would seem to also make it superior to the regular cone-MAF that everyone is running here.
 
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Old May 27, 2007 | 12:14 AM
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I have a question to all of you. I had many experiences with atmospheric engined cars and I could get nice figures with cold air feed like ram air. In atmospheric engined cars the cold air directly enters to the engine. But on force induction engined cars, especially turbo engines, if you have a CAI, the cold air goes through the filter and sucked by the Turbo. In this stage since the Turbo gets extreme heat because of the exhaust gas and the turbine speed, the cold air coming from the CAI gets warm again after the Turbo. So in my opinion whether we have CAI or not, the temp of the air won`t change after the Turbo. What do you think?
 
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Old May 27, 2007 | 05:56 PM
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Did this mod, basic filter and love the sound. Never mind the 1 and 1/2 HP I may be loosing due to hot air.
 
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Old May 27, 2007 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Hattat
I have a question to all of you. I had many experiences with atmospheric engined cars and I could get nice figures with cold air feed like ram air. In atmospheric engined cars the cold air directly enters to the engine. But on force induction engined cars, especially turbo engines, if you have a CAI, the cold air goes through the filter and sucked by the Turbo. In this stage since the Turbo gets extreme heat because of the exhaust gas and the turbine speed, the cold air coming from the CAI gets warm again after the Turbo. So in my opinion whether we have CAI or not, the temp of the air won`t change after the Turbo. What do you think?
I disagree. The R56 Cooper S has an intercooler to help right the problem of a heated charge. But alas it is only a help. Any new heat applied to the formula is detrimental. Switching from cold or ambiant temp, to higher under-hood temperatures for the initial charge will further the need for good intercooling to help keep the charge dense.
 
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Old May 29, 2007 | 08:24 AM
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Has anyone who's had their factory oiled intakes on, like K&N, had a problem yet? I've been told that some of the factory oiled filters can sometimes have a bit too much applied and it then gets onto the MAF. I don't think this is the problem with my car, but I do have one none the less. Its basically a misfire and I've got a couple posts for it in the trouble shooting section as well as the main 2007 forum where people are discussing problems with driveability.
 
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Old May 29, 2007 | 09:00 AM
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vw mafs are really finicky with that stuff, the bmw mafs seem pretty resilient to gunk. I wouldn't worry too much.
 
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Old May 29, 2007 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Klasse Act
Has anyone who's had their factory oiled intakes on, like K&N, had a problem yet? I've been told that some of the factory oiled filters can sometimes have a bit too much applied and it then gets onto the MAF. I don't think this is the problem with my car, but I do have one none the less. Its basically a misfire and I've got a couple posts for it in the trouble shooting section as well as the main 2007 forum where people are discussing problems with driveability.
There is one post "...loss of boost.." I think in the subject line and he cleaned the MAF and fixed his issue so he may have had the problem.
I have some VW cleaning spray from my GTI days for this exact reason even though I never had a problem.

As far as the air intake temperatures go, the intercooler will reduce the intake temperature a certain amount (IC) as it is cooling the air. It won't reduce it to a specific temperature.

Similarly, the turbo will increase the temperature of the intake air a variable amount (T) depending on boost etc.

The efficiency, or amount of temperature reduction you will get will also be dependant on the ambient air temperature (A) flowing across the intercooler which is also the same as the temperature of the air as it first enters the OEM intake.
If you pull air from within the engine compartment (E) then it will be hotter than the ambient (A) air that you would normal be using.

So, if the temperature of the air entering your cylinders = Z then it will be something like this for OEM

Z = A + T - IC

and this for an open intake element inside the engine bay

Z = (A+E) + T - IC


This is a obviously HUGE over simplification but it gives you a general idea that if you use an open filter element in the engine bay you will have hotter air entering the engine and less power.
Similarly, on a hot day (say 80 deg F) you will also have less power than on a cold day (say 50 deg F)

I know from my VW GTI days that you REALLY noticed the difference on a cold day/evening versus a hot day. We used to run data logs in the evening when the temperature had dropped 30 deg F and you could see the power/torque difference. This was on a chipped 1.8T running 19psi.

This was also the reason some 1.8T owners rigged water sprays onto the front of their Intercoolers to get better IC efficiency.

Hope this helps more than it confuses
 
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Old May 29, 2007 | 05:12 PM
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Actually that was MY post I installed the open element K&N when the car had 1.045 miles and had NO problem until the 2200 mile mark, so I don't think my open element K&N caused my problem, I'm thinking its just "one of those things" ...I HOPE! BTW the SA told me they have NO rental cars right now and she also said they'd do everything to help me on my way but they've gotta look at it first. Honestly, if its a coil and/or plug, I don't care if they take it off someones car in the lot that's not taking delivery of their car for a week, I just want my car back because right now its not the same car The mileage on the OBC used to show anywhere from 28-30 mpg with my mixed driving style, but today when I checked it it read 22.5, that sucks I lost 8 mpg on my way home from G.R. two weekends ago when this first started and I went from 38.4 mpg to 30.5 and that was using the old fashion way of doing the gas mileage too
 
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Old May 29, 2007 | 09:50 PM
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I believe I may be switching to an AEM dry filter intake for my MCS unless the problem is NO WAY possibly related to my recent problem with the car. I really don't think it is, but I'm a pretty conservative guy to be honest and I don't want any problems down the road, no matter how cool my car sounds with this intake along with the added performance increase from my "butt dyno"
 
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 10:39 PM
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I painted the SS grille matte black. Much better, and tons of fresh air getting in now.

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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeg4572
With "normal" driving it sounds exactly the same. When you "get on it" you can hear a slight whistle and you can DEFINATELY hear the "pshssst" sound when you let off to shift.

Put it this way. My girlfriend HATES that stuff, she did not notice when I drive normal.


haha i like the comment about the girlfriend part hahahaahah!!!
very clever. thanks again for taking the time.

i'm preety new to cars. so it may take me a bit to figure this out but seems like it is quite simple haha.

i'll have to try it soon.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 12:35 PM
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Good luck it is pretty simple though.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 09:25 AM
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Here is my CAI setup. Directly connected to stock air inlet, i noticed a better performance at high rpm and louder turbo whistle, also many friends thought that i have blow off installed..
 

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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Klasse Act
I believe I may be switching to an AEM dry filter intake for my MCS unless the problem is NO WAY possibly related to my recent problem with the car. I really don't think it is, but I'm a pretty conservative guy to be honest and I don't want any problems down the road, no matter how cool my car sounds with this intake along with the added performance increase from my "butt dyno"

The AEM dry filters are awesome, and you have absolutely no worries about sucking oil into your MAF. I have one on my Xterra and love it. I'm not sure you can buy the filter by itself though. I've only seen them with the whole intake setup. Where have you seen the filter available by itself? I want one for my MINI!!!
 
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 09:35 AM
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Nice looking setup Murathan. What in the world is that carbon fiber box though?

Obviously it's your filter, but what type/brand is it, and where did you get it? Is there a cone shaped filter inside there, or what?
 
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 09:49 AM
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İts the Simota carbon fiber universal kit. There is a cone type of filter inside. www.simota.com
These are the cone filer options for the kit. Different lenghts etc.

I got it from simota local dealer in Istanbul.
 
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