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Old Aug 7, 2014 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Mayfair
Thanks so much. I added that PID and it works now.

What Boost should be seeing. The highest I saw was 10 ( but I only drove the car for 20 mins this morning).

And the engine temperature was 194F. Is that normal

Any other PID's you recommend I get?

When I was inputting the car's info, it didn't automatically find it. I had to manually enter the engine displacement.
Boost is load dependent and can vary due to factors such as temperature. Boost can be limited until the car is fully warmed up.

Engine temperature is typically 220F. For 2013 models, sport mode reduces this to 175F. Also turning the AC to MAX lowers the temperature.

Some other PIDs of interest are:

Air-to-fuel ratio ->CALC.AFR_ACTUAL or SAE.WO2S11_B.LAMBDA
cylinder #1 timing -> SAE.SPARKADV
intake temperature -> SAE.AAT


Check out this thread for information about DashCommand.

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...og-graphs.html
 
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Old Aug 8, 2014 | 01:20 PM
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Ordered a JB+ from Way.

Shifting to 91 octane. Do I need to fill up from an empty tank or can I initially mix?

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Old Aug 8, 2014 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cerenkov
Boost is load dependent and can vary due to factors such as temperature. Boost can be limited until the car is fully warmed up. Engine temperature is typically 220F. For 2013 models, sport mode reduces this to 175F. Also turning the AC to MAX lowers the temperature. Some other PIDs of interest are: Air-to-fuel ratio ->CALC.AFR_ACTUAL or SAE.WO2S11_B.LAMBDA cylinder #1 timing -> SAE.SPARKADV intake temperature -> SAE.AAT Check out this thread for information about DashCommand. https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...og-graphs.html
Thanks so much!
 
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Old Aug 10, 2014 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mayfair

Thanks so much!
So after a week running 96 octane here are some numbers.

96 octane
jb 100%
Boost : 18.5
Timing : 45.0
AFR: 12.2
Not sure where ideal numbers should be for afr. GP is running like a beast!!!
 
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Old Aug 10, 2014 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Damon114
So after a week running 96 octane here are some numbers.

96 octane
jb 100%
Boost : 18.5
Timing : 45.0
AFR: 12.2
Not sure where ideal numbers should be for afr. GP is running like a beast!!!
The timing looks a little high, you sure that's right?
 
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Old Aug 10, 2014 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by cerenkov

The timing looks a little high, you sure that's right?
Sorry I meant 9 to 10.5 at WOT in 3rd
 

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Old Aug 20, 2014 | 07:15 AM
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So I finally found an e85 retailer in my area, I just filled up with 3.25 gallons e85 and the rest 93 octane, I have a catless downpipe, cold air intake, what are my options for turning the JB up at this point?
 
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Old Aug 20, 2014 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ptguy0618
So I finally found an e85 retailer in my area, I just filled up with 3.25 gallons e85 and the rest 93 octane, I have a catless downpipe, cold air intake, what are my options for turning the JB up at this point?
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Do you have a way to monitor AFR, timing, boost, etc?
 
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Old Aug 20, 2014 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ptguy0618
So I finally found an e85 retailer in my area, I just filled up with 3.25 gallons e85 and the rest 93 octane, I have a catless downpipe, cold air intake, what are my options for turning the JB up at this point?
As above, I would get a way to monitor things.

With that blend in MY car, I would go to about 2-2.5 o'clock. Make sure the pull feels like it is consistently getting stronger until the highest RPM range (above 5,250) where it should start to wane. As far as seat-of-the-pants goes, that is what you are looking for.

For eduational purposes only, you COULD (read: at your own risk) turn it up to 4 or so and it will likely feel slower as the computer is yanking so much timing to compensate.

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Old Aug 20, 2014 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by cerenkov
. Do you have a way to monitor AFR, timing, boost, etc?
Currently no, I have it at 50%...the stock, should I turn it down then?
 
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Old Aug 20, 2014 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ptguy0618
Currently no, I have it at 50%...the stock, should I turn it down then?
If you keep it at default (50%) and use premium gasoline (ideally 93) then I don't see any reason to monitor anything. But if you start mixing in ethanol and/or turning up the dial then it would be a good idea to monitor things, at least at first.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2014 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cerenkov
If you keep it at default (50%) and use premium gasoline (ideally 93) then I don't see any reason to monitor anything. But if you start mixing in ethanol and/or turning up the dial then it would be a good idea to monitor things, at least at first.
Noted! 👍
 
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Old Aug 21, 2014 | 07:50 PM
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So I turned it down to 4.5, after trying it on 5, and 6. And I have to say the car feels much stronger and smoother under full throttle!
 
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Old Aug 30, 2014 | 01:44 PM
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My mint-condition JB+ is for sale (I traded-in my Mini). It only has 4,000 miles on it. Feel free to take a look: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post3982339
 
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Old Aug 30, 2014 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ptguy0618
So I turned it down to 4.5, after trying it on 5, and 6. And I have to say the car feels much stronger and smoother under full throttle!
Your timing is probably better in that setting.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2014 | 05:52 PM
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Ok so I was just on my way home from dinner, and I was behind a guy in a jcw r56, talked to him at a light, said he had the jb+ as well. Said he was at 2 o clock setting. We got one good rolling pull in together, and he was definitely quicker than me, with my jb at 4.5 an intake and catless downpipe. I thought we'd be closer matched than that, needless to say I have a much greater desire to make my car faster now lol!


Also I think he had an automatic because he was shifting really quick
 
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Old Aug 30, 2014 | 07:03 PM
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Good info! Stock '13 JCW auto.
Originally Posted by ptguy0618
Ok so I was just on my way home from dinner, and I was behind a guy in a jcw r56, talked to him at a light, said he had the jb+ as well. Said he was at 2 o clock setting. We got one good rolling pull in together, and he was definitely quicker than me, with my jb at 4.5 an intake and catless downpipe. I thought we'd be closer matched than that, needless to say I have a much greater desire to make my car faster now lol!


Also I think he had an automatic because he was shifting really quick
 
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Old Sep 5, 2014 | 01:19 AM
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If I get the JB+, will a decent intake help with power as well??
 
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Old Sep 5, 2014 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jayely1
If I get the JB+, will a decent intake help with power as well??
Don't get an intake IMO. Waste of "power" money. Get a DP.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2014 | 09:01 AM
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Only problem is I don't want the car any louder.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2014 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jayely1
Only problem is I don't want the car any louder.
In these little cars you don't gain anything power wise from an intake, so I would look at other mods even a FMIC so heat soaking won't be an issue.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2014 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jayely1
Only problem is I don't want the car any louder.
The only thing that will make a MCS louder is deleting the primary and secondary cats in favor of just a downpipe, then again by removing both cats is what allows these MCS's to reach the hp and torque numbers. Turbos don't like restriction in the exhaust, adding a DP is probably the cheapest upgrade for gaining more hp and torque.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2014 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jayely1
Only problem is I don't want the car any louder.
So there's your predicament... On one hand you want power, on the other you want silence...
You can create a sleeper, however the only way to yield more power is to do as previously stated, reduce restriction. However, that will increase noise decibels... Wow, what to do, what to do?

I love the sound of my DOS Intake, M3 DP, & CNT TBE. Sound is amazing.😄
 
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Old Sep 5, 2014 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Damon114
Sorry I meant 9 to 10.5 at WOT in 3rd
I am crious if this is timing on initial WOT at 2k rpms or at 5-6k rpms

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Old Sep 7, 2014 | 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by wzabrouski
Why has everyone been so quiet?? Dumb question but how do you release the clips on the JB? I have to go in for a P1339 code I get off and on and I need to remove the JB. Also have been running a 30% mix of e85. When I remove the JB is there anything wrong with still having this mix in the tank? I did not think so but figured I would ask.

My car also threw this code this morning, What was wrong with your car? how did u fix it? (But I dont have the tune tho.)

Thanks
 
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