Im trying to locate a video we shot during a leguna seca race. Randy used our prototype at the time by the end of the race the car in second position was almost a lap behind......Heat Soaked!!!! Im looking and I will post it.....

 

I think Randy posted it on youtube. Fun to watch.

Longboard

 

Bart, the proposal to have a dyno shootout was based on Gintani's original assertion that the aftercooler resulted in a 14hp increase over a stock vehicle (ideally, the same vehicle was used for a before- and after- comparison, since MINIs aren't equal in making power).

I would rather not get into a discussion into whether the IC is making power versus recovering power. It's pretty widely accepted that you can't MAKE power with an IC - I don't think anyone is disputing that. However, I will say that in order to "recover" power, you'd have to set a baseline for comparison. Is that baseline the OEM IC, or a competing aftermarket IC? In the end, though, it all comes down to making power by recovering power that was lost due to the design of the baseline, because you end up with more power that wasn't there before.

The problem for Gintani in performing a comparison is that there's at least three different crowds to cater to on NAM:
1. Dyno shooters
2. Temperature measurements on the track
3. 1/4 mile timeslips
Each of these groups will probably want a comparison with a stock car, a car with basic mods, and a fully-modified car.

I don't envy Gintani or any other vendor, because you can't please them all... The best we can do is help Gintani establish the metrics we want to see tested and provide input in designing the experiments so it satisfies as many curious minds and potential customers as possible.

 

We used the dynograph to display the power gain from the intake manifold design and not the IC.

Touche

I posted some more pics to understand more about our system

 

Damn, the third picture is really OEM looking. Nice stuff.

- Matt

 

Thank you ...we pride ourself in our quality the aftercooler is hand built and assembled. We have a ported option. which is ported by hand. We can also port to specs.

 

it's quite nice... but not 3500 nice.

 

Just helping out, hope you don't mind....grammar and punctuation is fun and one way you can show us you have an education.

 

Between running around answering the great questions on here and trying to do a normal real day of work... well, I might even forget to wipe.

I has been very hectic and you my friend have not made it easier.

 

Gintani = class act

 

 

What's the reason for the outtake for the blower being a separate piece from the aftercooler/intake? Is it for ease of Re and Reing? Too bad you couldn't go straight up into the aftercooler from the blower all with 1 piece(even more air flow!).

Jeremy

 

In the prototyping process we discovered the problems associated in that design. Unfortunately that information is part of our intellectual property and Gintani will not disclose any information pertaining to this subject.

 

Yep copy that.

That's why some aftermarket parts cost what they do(research and development eats into capital). Obviously if the cost is too much for a part(not enough demand)then the price will subside a bit. Maybe for Gintani, demand will be huge and his product could command a higher price? We'll find out!

Jeremy

 

The best test for an IC is the 30-80 mph acceleration test ( or some other agreed upon speed).

This takes out most, if not all, of the variables associated with the above mentioned tests. If the IC behaves as stated we should be able to see some real differences in a real world test. That is, with the obligatory data logging...

That radiator is really blocking the stock radiator a bit aint it? Not sure, but I am not sure I want higher engine temps just trying to get lower intake temps.

 

That just means your thermostat will be more open. We're all using water wetter right?

Another minor drawback is more front end mass with this bolt on. Dang.

Jeremy

 

Engine temps will not register higher. There is not any blockage of air. Factory systems often contain a multiple of stacked components. From radiators, A/C condensers, oil coolers etc and while other manufactures such as Mercedes, Mitsubishi also contain an intercooler or heat exchanger directly in front of the other components mentioned above.

 

With the removal of the factory components and the installation of the after-cooler, the weight difference if any, would be in your advantage. Traction never hurts.

 

Very nice looking piece. The air certainly has a much shorter distance to travel..

 

if this thing was 1500.00 Iwould buy one today

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpYDXufzJyc

One of many tests performed with the help of Randy Webb, he is driving the red Mini.

This is one of the reasons why are system is well ahead of the competition.

 

Stock
Two horns and the stock intercooler = x lb's

Gintani
Large cast manifold/intercooler with core, Cast horn from SC to intercooler, large, thick and long water lines, water pump, water tank, 1.6 gallons of water, large front mount radiator = x lb's

Really? Are you sure? How much does the system weigh?

I'm just asking.

Longboard

 

Are you…

I will be pleased providing you with this sort of data. I am sure every vendor on this forum provides substantial documentation with photos and descriptions to feed the curious minds like you.

I honestly enjoy your questions, really starting to empower our product in design and execution. The entire staff here thank you for taking the entire day to participate so actively.

 

Great race. Twin charged car's against SC cars against original Mini. I would love to see one of those JCW races with a full field of like modded cars. That would be really cool to see.

I could be wrong but it looks like the car pushing Randy is the Mini Madness car which runs their $1500.00 W/A intercooler.

Longboard

 

Did you notice the who finished first and how far ahead they were.