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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 01:43 PM
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Soooo I put on a stock ic until my watercooled grs arrives. I made a ok looking but HELLA efficient air diverter for it too.
I we t and got ANOTHER new battery but actually a stronger one for the free exachange , they didn't have my exact battery so she'd just let me take this one. Lol I got no complaints. My battery died because my ******* must have hit my toggle switch and turned on my rally lights and didn't realize it because when I parked in the garage the sun was shinning in and yeaaaa. Lol went to go test start it with the stock ic on and immediately knew something was wrong because my interior lights didn't come on when I opened the door. Derderder.
i also am almost finished getting everything to plumb one hell of a cooling system for it.. all I have left is to buy a reservoir and I still haven't decided yet which one I want , I have like 4x in mind to choose from sofar.
ALSO , it's time to add MORE POWER !!!!!! I ordered another screaming demon coilpack because it IS ONE of the two coilpacks ONLY that actually DO provide more max and consistent voltage compared to the oem coil.. the other one is I wanna say vmw ebay brand actually BUT even though it does provide more volts that vms coilpack is VERY unreliable. Lol u personally went through 2x and one completely died on 1x cyl within 3x days.
AAAAAND I GOT A BETTER CAM !!!The seller accepted my lowball bid on this brand new cam because I've bought so much off him already and got him a few extra sales too. SO once it's here me n my buddy will swap it in and then I will inspect my timing and head just to make sure everything is still good since install 2x yr ago now. I'm then gonna take the ns1 cam from this car and use it in my white car..
BTW too !!!! The car MAKE NO more boost on the oem intercooler than it did with that grs motorsport ic. I probably shouldn't have sold it abd just used itusedmy aero mini but I kinda needed the money more rite now. But I swear that the grs intercooler lost like 1-1.5lb max boost but I was WRONG . I can't believe that ic actually provides just as good flow as oem BUT actually has better cooling too. That grs really is one heck if a well engineers product.. if your considering an aftermarket ic I absolutely ABSOLUTELY suggest ordering a grs motorsport THROUGH orranje.uk , they have best price and turn around time even with being in the u.k. I've had nothing but good experiences purchasing performance parts from that company.








 
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Old Aug 4, 2023 | 12:34 PM
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that cam is going to struggle on the stock dme even with adrian tuning it just a fyi. Idle especially as it has more over lap than the 469 which also struggles on stock ecu. Even then specfic ecu wont agree with it and another might. Blownaway had issues I know. But expect -8 hg vacuum at idle vs -20-24 on stock. Also gonna have potential loading issues up until 3500-4200 but then it will scream
 
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Old Aug 4, 2023 | 03:16 PM
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that cam is going to struggle on the stock dme even with adrian tuning it just a fyi. Idle especially as it has more over lap than the 469 which also struggles on stock ecu. Even then specfic ecu wont agree with it and another might. Blownaway had issues I know. But expect -8 hg vacuum at idle vs -20-24 on stock. Also gonna have potential loading issues up until 3500-4200 but then it will scream
o dang ! It's THAT aggressive??? Geez , u thought it was 1x step below the 469.. oooooops.. ugh , maybe I will try and swap it for a less aggressive profiled cam OR keep it , save up for the aftermarket ecu which my car could ALREADY massively benefit from and turn it into a MONSTER. I'm gonna have to weigh my options.. lol im glad you brought that to my attention , I'm sure I would realized it later but sooner is always better so I don't waste time planning to do it.. man , even my ns1 street cam at idle in neutral holds 13g of vacuum and cruising in gear off the throttle I can see 20+ but hehe I see dang near 18psi still max. Even with the bvh and all my bigger intake stuff..
 
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Old Aug 4, 2023 | 03:19 PM
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no its way above the 469 dont let the numbering fool you. 464 is more aggressive then 469. Readings will always be higher on decel while in peak VE. Idle is another story. Stock ecu with very aggressive cams is more like band aide tuning give and take vs standalone full control.
 
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Old Aug 4, 2023 | 03:22 PM
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Lol well looks like cam swap will be on hold for a minute until I figure somethings out.. glad Devil brought it to my attention how aggressive the cam is. I DO shift this car at 8k rpm already but I'd have to run it probably to 8500 to better benefit from this cam.. I will start by talking to Adrian as we can do live tuning and see if we could atleast get it to hold idle.. we will see....
well I put on a screaming demon coil again..not thst it will add power but with how far my car revs out and it's power lever it could maybe benefit from having a higher max voltage for the ignition..it also came with all of the coilpack isolators so I didn't have to use a piece of rubber under the coilpack anymore..lolo.
they DO get negativnegatively effected by engine vibration so with my setup again , better safe than sorry and best to have it isolated..


 
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Old Aug 4, 2023 | 03:22 PM
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The way they are listed here is the order of small to large. Note what needs what for beefy springs and I have no idea what its your head so keep in mind. You also need to clearance valves as its insanely tight. Should be on the data sheet. I machined my tops when I skimmed my deck to raise compression. I have 1.05 clearance in my setup which is why meth for me is so crucial as any carbon and I will have issues.

 
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Old Aug 4, 2023 | 04:15 PM
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The way they are listed here is the order of small to large. Note what needs what for beefy springs and I have no idea what its your head so keep in mind. You also need to clearance valves as its insanely tight. Should be on the data sheet. I machined my tops when I skimmed my deck to raise compression. I have 1.05 clearance in my setup which is why meth for me is so crucial as any carbon and I will have issues.

thankfully I got a tpr2 head with all upgraded valvesprings and titanium retainers and oversized upgraded valves.. the guy I got it from actually put in better springs and some kind of I don't remember exactly what but filled black valves or something to help em run cooler.. the head is actually my cars best thing imo. It's why I'm able to run my sprintex at the boost levels I am and not see stupid hot iats or blow it up. This baby does flow. Then all my ported stuff around it too helps prevent any bottlenecking..
well , I really DO wanna try n run this cam. Maybe I atleast try and see if adriancl can tune it in..if we can't then I can start saving for aftermarket ecu then OR I can stop being a punanny and just learn to drive the car at higher rpms LIKE it should be in the Cams sweet spot and just have to blib the throttle then maybe at stop lights...i should already drive it abit more aggressive because of the ns1 cam buuut I take it easy on the car in all honesty. I save the womping on to show up others when the the time is rite and or I need to make a point. My favorite is the v8 muscle heads who laugh at me and snicker and make fun of me and my car to their girlfriend and then they go " watch this baby , ille show that little car what real power is " and then alllllllll they see are my tailights.. lolol I LOOOOOVE showing up cars that usually would FAR outclass a mini , exp in the straits.. haha here's the last 1x I got a pic of to save in my " kill file"..
It not the big one but still , the 5.7l new gens are no punks and judging by its burble it had atleast ATLEAST catback.. lol my mini was gaining on him from 5mph to 60mph and even rolls from like 30 upto 70mph.. and yes guys , our freeway is 70mph , the on ramps are 2x lanes and merge onto a 4lane freeway where actually everyone drives 80-90mph ( I actually hate because if I pace traffic in my mini it's far from ideal cruising speeds) and the onramp people like to test on around here IS literally 1x mile from the police station and the local cops along with hyw patrol are very car culture friendly. There's also 1x spefic backroad they turn a blind eye too also So long as your not endangering others and being a wreck less idiot , they DO allow you to run your cars pretty hard upto the speedlimit. They actually will sit and monitor and watch people race and allow it so long as your not doing like 150mph and just doing little runs,just enough to know. sure they'll issue speeding tickets but rarely RARELY a excessive acceleration.. lolol actually last year I was chatting with a few officers and they actually told me and let me run my car , full out down the road and they gave me FULL permission.. lolol so I did and they were quit impressed. They were trying to tell me that their police pursuit charger they were in was faster than my mini , which I knew they're not as I've beating rwd 5.7 challengers which are faster than the police pursuit 5.7l awd chargers.. YES the police chargers DO have the v8 with the awd...
and I'm not a dueschebag driver either ,I'm very respectful of others.. there's a time and a place and I know that. Hence not getting a traffic ticket in many many years..



 
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Old Aug 4, 2023 | 04:18 PM
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the valve lift is the highest they offer at almost 2.5mm I wouldnt trust anything that wasnt super tech valve or spring and retainers.
 
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Old Aug 4, 2023 | 04:31 PM
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Sodium filled valves is what you are probably referring to.
 
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Old Aug 4, 2023 | 05:52 PM
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yes inconel/sodium for the exhausts to handle the heat, stock r53 have them as well.
 

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Old Aug 8, 2023 | 02:49 PM
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Rehooked up my ic sprayers again , wow I forgot how effective they are. Too bad the reservoir is only good for maybe 60seconds of continuous spraying but hey , it's perfect for street pulls or back road sprints. Today is 87 , sunny and muggy and from a stop upto 80mph going wot my iats spiked at 125'F only... I ALSO thought am injecting meth at the top most 2psi but m at 50% level on a #1 nozzle only aaaaand idk if it's helping cooling but it does my power , I been running 3part 93oct and 1part e85 blend and it actually hasn't effected mileage though it does pick up abit more pep on that blend. My afr stay spot on too still. Man ! I CANT WAIT for my liquid cooled intercooler. It's amazing how much iats effect our cars.. I can always feel when I they get heat soaked and the power drop and I must admit , I have almost NO power loss even on the hottest day ,no matter the driving situation..


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I cleaned the car up a little because i took a little trip down to near Chicago last night to drop off some parts a guy had purchased from me and was able to meet and chat with him ( Joe) for awhile and take him out for a little rip in rice machine and lololol his reaction was priceless.. though it's a typical reaction, it's still great to see another mini lover loving it.
The car seems be be putting DOWN GOOD power lately, i think ive found the setup it prefers , with the ic sprayers keeping iat under 100'F durring wot pulls AND with the e85 mix , the car when doing 45mph if I drop it into 2nd it WILL light the tires up WITH a passenger in the car...
what a nice area too joe lived in , all brick houses in the community. Lol and his dog was literally a mini bear , part st Benard man , lolol I want a dog just like that soooo bad. But 3x cats and a dog isn't happening in my apartment, I'm a clean freak bad enough as is so add a dog in the mix rite now , lol I'd never get around to my cars anymore..
I orderednew step colder plugs too because ones I'm running can't be gapped and with the screaming demon coilpack your actually sapose to open up the gapping on the plugs to .65 to allow the coilpack to better utilize its hotter stronger sparking. So these DO make more power over stock when run correctly. I forgot all about doing that , I did it last time and noticed an improvement all around with the demon pack and big gap plugs..so let's see hoe the car responds to it now that I'm much much more in depth with its engine mods. When checking my current plugs , they looked perfect. And that's thanks to Adriancl 's awesome tuning . I sure wish I had the slightest clue how to tune. I've actually been contemplating looking for a a little tuning coarse if there is one here at the tech collage matc. That would be the best thing I could do is learn. Lol then all the tinkering I do dealing stuff in,looking for every bit of power I can. I'd be able to tune in and adjust for EVERYTHING I do then. Gowd that'd be sweet to learn.
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Well , the 1st of 3x big changes has been purchased. I finally found a set of these for a price I was willing to pay. So they are ordered, who knows wgen they'll get here though. I say probably 2x months but I hope for the best.
next I plan on buying the carbonfiber vented hood and IF I can still find it , i wanna get the carbonfiber hatch then too.. unfortunately carbonfiber doors are far too expensive UNLESS I come across a used set for a good price.. NOT ONLY imo is it going to look wayyyyy better but once I got all 3x cf pieces on it actually should shed 50 to 60lb atleast. EXP if I do lexani window in the hatch , sunroof and doors.. then it could drop over 100lb easily I bet !


 
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Old Aug 12, 2023 | 11:35 AM
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Still think your car is one of the best looking minis on here. If you lived closer I'd want your hood when you go cf. Mine is damaged and I love the vents you installed.

Not sure whats up with those plugs you pulled. They don't look right to me.
 
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Still think your car is one of the best looking minis on here. If you lived closer I'd want your hood when you go cf. Mine is damaged and I love the vents you installed.


Not sure whats up with those plugs you pulled. They don't look right to me.
Thank you !
it isn't hard by any means putting in vents and they make a set actually contoured for our hood , only problem is there NO room for error. Mine aren't perfect but imo good enough to get by until I got the cf vented hood.
plugs should be tinged brown. The extra residual stuff you see is from the e85 blend and methanol... the car runs perfectly and trust me. Well, a little on the rich side as afr ar 10-11 at full boost but better safe than sorry.
videos dont do it justice for how quick it really is.. lol I can light up the tires NOT just bark them dropping into 2nd at like 40ish even with a passenger in the car. haha i think i kinda scared the dude id dropped them.parts off too. It really is stupid quick hoe fast it will hit 3x digit speeds.
I keep an eye on my afr and have alarms set for stuff ike afr , intake temp , coolant temp or voltage for if it goes out of whack. I also have a shift light and built in alarm too just because.
the car even passes emissions, I still get a kick outta that but i use that kinda as a brag about it. I HATE having a cel on or car thst can't be taken anywhere ,legally. I've put in alot of extra work for it to do that. Trust me, it would just been easier to turn off rear 02 via tune as well as few other emissions related things and it wouldn't have a cel then either but it wouldn't pass emissions then. Lol I tried that route..
it shooooooould run abit less rich once I get these new plugs in with their large gap. We will see though.
 
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Dang , my old plugs weren't bad by any means but I wasn't able to test drive it because everything is flooded outside but just giving it some revs it seems to rev up abit quicker and less effort , started up with less cracks and I swear my exhaust seemed to be popping more , so maybe it DID lean out my afr abit.. I will post back soon as I test drive it and I'm going to try and make another drive along video too then..
I put the pkugs side by side with their stock gap and then i opened them up to .52.. i didnt go as much as it said because I am running more than 2x stock boost and other mods so I didn't wanna have spark blowout. But maybe I will take them to .65 and see...





 
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Ooooooo baby ! The ic has been finished being made and just needs to be powered coated and then it will be en route. Heres a few pics of it being test fitted 1st..it's been taking a bit but the wait will be worth it !
Oli over at orranje.uk has been awesome , once again in providing me a custom ordered custom made part..




 
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I was wondering where the bleed was, then noticed the return water fitting is high up on Opposite side from feed so you don’t need a separate bleed. Or not much of one if you jack the rear up a bit when filling.
 
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I was wondering where the bleed was, then noticed the return water fitting is high up on Opposite side from feed so you don’t need a separate bleed. Or not much of one if you jack the rear up a bit when filling.
at the very top most hose I'm going to splice in a bleeder pipe like we have on our upper radiator hose. I might not need it though because it shooooooould bleed from the reservoir cap and I'm going to be running 2x pumps. One to feed and one to return. I think I've settled on a 7x gallon reservoir, so the whole system should hold about 8x gallons. That should be pleeeeeeenty fluid to not get heat soaked. Plus I got a pretty good size radiator for it too ( actually have 2x ).
it shooooooould be a very efficient setup. I'm hooooooooping I will be able to then just get rid of and sell the methanol kit then..
last piece to the puzzle will be a kavs or dinan throttlebody.. I just felt on this car , it was better like a good in-between of my ported stock tbody and the BMW v12 tbody.. I think it moved the PowerBand EXACTLY where my cam like to make power so it was the most effective for this setup.. I SHOULDA never sold the one I had but I had to get $$ together for the aero car I'd picked up.. awe well , tbody or my aero ? Lol I think it's a no brainer but I still am gonna hunt for a replacement atleast.. if i ain't trying I'm dying..
 
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I have seen lsa guys use a refrigerant system on similar style coolers. r12 loops etc. Similar to this. https://fiinterchillers.com/product/interchiller/ Couple grand well spent other than Meth. But I still use this lol. "True believer" Status.


Basically this setup gives you another ac condenser and you would run your water lines from the intercooler into this and it would chill the water in the system down to -20f. Works of your factory ac. Fairly straight forward system to setup.



 

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I have seen lsa guys use a refrigerant system on similar style coolers. r12 loops etc. Similar to this. https://fiinterchillers.com/product/interchiller/ Couple grand well spent other than Meth. But I still use this lol. "True believer" Status.


Basically this setup gives you another ac condenser and you would run your water lines from the intercooler into this and it would chill the water in the system down to -20f. Works of your factory ac. Fairly straight forward system to setup.



that is verrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting... but I'd need to run an ac compressor again too I think but wow , would that be AWESOME !
 
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Awwwwwwwwwwe shizzle ! It's here , it's on and the last 2x fittings arrive tomorrow then i will have everything needed. so they should be here but the time I run the last of the lines and everything because they are the an hose adapter fittings for the reservoir, they're 90' too to save space and a cleaner install.
as you see ! Im going with clear hose , why ? Because itle be cool , thats why !
That is a 4x gallon , rear feed reservoir and im contemplating using 2x of those direct pass through , finned type coolers for where the lines run underneath the car so as as passes under the car over the lines , it would actually provide extra cooling. Idk yet , the system might be efficient enough as is.
I ALSO put in the vibrativibra technics upper transmission mount AND I ordered the torque solutions lower engine mount , so all 3x mounts will be aftermarket race series mounts. Should be better than my modified stock mounts I was running.
when I put on the trans mount i found my tbody gasket was chewed on by an engine knome , thankfully i had an extra. I can't believe it wasn't losing power from that. Lol or was it and the car legit is that quick I just didn't realize? Well , I'm gonna find out VERY soon here..
I'm PROBABLY going to sell the meth kit then with its extras , that should help clear a few bucks back from the ic and ic parts because GEEZ it has tallied up QUICK.
aaaaaaaand I had the vented biotronic sc plug SNAP in half in the sprintex!!!!! It WASNT even threaded all the way in when it did either ! So on aliexpress I found a far far superior stainless steel version NOT cheap aluminum and it was 1/10 the cost too ! It ALSO fit much much better too. So I let biotronic know about this better style vent plug and hopefully they upgrade to this one so NO ONE will hopefully go through what I did because I got very very lucky I was some what easily remove the left over part of the vented plug..unfortunately I got a new phone so I don't have pics of that but I do of the new style plug.
Aaaaaaaaand THE CARBFIBER FENDERS ARE AT THE LOCAL POST OFFICE AND SHOULD BE HERE SOOOOON !!!!!
















 

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Got the new lower mount in and ordered 2x different pumps since the ones I got are so loud they're unusable.
I put in a temporary boost gauge until I find a better matching one I like better but atleadt it will do what it needs to do.
I removed the meth kit too and am selling it since I baaaaaarely used it and it really shouldn't need it with this better ic now.. while doing the boost gauge I re-did abunch of the wiring under the dash and cleaned it up much better. I then put in the white face for the afr gauge so everything would better match.
theeereen my fenders came so I had nothing left to do until the pumps get here over the weekend so I figured it wouldn't be too much to toss on the fenders.
lol BULLLLLLLLSHIIIIIIIIT. not one hole is predrilled though km glad because most didn't line up and I had to mark all the holes , drill them and epoxy on nuts so the bolts will actually hold them on and not risk craving the taps as easily and to better line up with bodylines.
it took 2hr to get the sidemarker to fit as well as it is sofar. It still needs more work though..lol if I wasn't so **** about everything I wouldn't be in so far over my head rite now.. lol I even am going to replace every clip on the side runners too , why ? Because, thats why !.
So probably 5hours I got into the fender and I haven't even put the widebody flare on it yet. Though i gotta plan that too. Idk if im going to again directly seal it and fill the gaps with panal bond and smooth it out OR install a type or rubber seal that'll pick up the little gaps and make it look even..idk , we will see..




 
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My concern with those “vents” is
a: they impact the space occupied by the washer bottles, it seems.

b: there’s no flowing air back there that needs venting, because you have wheel liners and then washer bottles obstructing it.

it’s a lot of expense and time fitting and tweaking a cosmetic only part for what shouldn’t be much if any weight savings, and at least down here, they only last a couple years before they start yellowing and flaking, unless you scuff and paint them with automotive base/clear.

waiting to see what you find out when installing them.
 
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So far so good. They clear everything and I got all bolt holes lined up and nutcerts ect added on to better strengthen them.. the actually LINE UP AMAZING. Usually cf parts gaps will be a bit off and even with fiberglass too but these gaps are tooooooootally acceptable as is and the only things I needed to shave or cut were the side marker holes . The 2nd fenders is going 10x faster because I know what I'm doing better now.
I also repainted the flaresso once they're fully dried I will attach them on. Those too line up very well on the fenders too thankfully..
I'm pretty happy with these sofar.
This reallllllllly makes me want the cf hood BAAAAAAAAD and RITE NOW ! LOL so buy my meth kit guys and fund my hood.. you know you wanna see this baby turn from troll to the carbon cooper.
Haha look at ALL the stamps on this box..








 
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