Drivetrain 231.9WHP with new big valve head. Stock cam and ECU.
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so I cant drive my car for ~4-5 monthsmakes that 51 woot
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You must always remember if there had been no Mary there would of been no Jesus.
Fireballed stuff is only for those Mini owners who want to go fast and dont mind showing there real horsepower at public events across the USA / UK.
Ask yourself what head MAkES the most horsepower in the world
Fireballed stuff is only for those Mini owners who want to go fast and dont mind showing there real horsepower at public events across the USA / UK.
Ask yourself what head MAkES the most horsepower in the world
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Fireballed...
Nam's "TULS" was working there for some time (although he left a few months ago now). Dr. Hubie Fuh is still there.
I don't know about "Fireballed Tim" -- he seems to be more of a marketing type type; but I think he, personally, is the real deal when it comes to "Hollywood movie makeover" cars and MINIs that are customized WAY OUT on the exterior.
Hubie, Brian, Tuls, and Jason, the guys who "cracked the ECU" for Fireballed and who designed and executed the original Fireballed heads, are definitely the real deal when it comes to creating MINI power. And they have built some really fast cars to show they have real credentials.
On the other hand, I have seen a lot of "Jesus Head" roundels, that would indicate that those who have gotten heads from HWMNBN are quite pleased with their results.
So, anyway, I was hoping that someone might have tried both, or had at least had made some sort of comparison from a perspective more technically knowledgeable than mine.
Here's hoping...
Thanks again to anyone willing to talk.
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Of course I am biased because I have a Thumper head on mine, but I got nearly 2mpg better mileage after I learned to keep my foot out of it after putting the head on.
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You must always remember if there had been no Mary there would of been no Jesus.
Fireballed stuff is only for those Mini owners who want to go fast and dont mind showing there real horsepower at public events across the USA / UK.
Ask yourself what head MAkES the most horsepower in the world
Fireballed stuff is only for those Mini owners who want to go fast and dont mind showing there real horsepower at public events across the USA / UK.
Ask yourself what head MAkES the most horsepower in the world
I would have thought that you of all people would have known that the worlds fastest mini was powered by a "Stock Head". I guess it was the turbo that landed that ET. With the FB head on the car they haven't been able to break the record.
Question: What mini head makes the most power in the world.
The RMW head of coarse.
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don't you two read your own thread maybe Jan isn't a drag racer
maybe you'll always be dyno racers
MPH = HORSEPOWER, RECORD IS 133MPH set with the Fireballed Mary head
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Question: What mini head makes the most power in the world.
The RMW head of coarse.
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At the moment 231.9whp doesnt cut it, I think the phrase is "work on it son"
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[quote=Paul Webster;1542705]You two are scaring me now don't you two read your own thread maybe Jan isn't a drag racer maybe you'll always be dyno racers
MPH = HORSEPOWER, RECORD IS 133MPH set with the Fireballed Mary head
Br Br Br Break it down like this!
don't you two read your own thread maybe Jan isn't a drag racer maybe you'll always be dyno racers MPH = HORSEPOWER, RECORD IS 133MPH set with the Fireballed Mary head
Br Br Br Break it down like this!
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There are a lot of developments in the Mini community at the moment and I'm under the impression the new phrase of the month maybe "damn I wish I had waited"
You'll always get this espically from vendors in the drag racing community.
It does amaze me every year that people find more horsepower every year to reset records.
Poor old Hubie hasn't got any competion in the drag racing world at the moment, ours will never be close in mph and et due to its extra weight as its our street / demonstration car
I must admit I always look to who is setting records for component choices, and to quote a cam grinder the other day. "it might not make no more peak horsepower on the dyno but at the track its picked up 6mph and thats what counts"
Good luck with your tough decision but it maybe worth waiting a while
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I'm not out of warranty. Maybe a few more months wouldn't hurt. Would let me fatten up the wallet a bit, too.
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I have a real head question: has anyone tried both the Fireballed head and the Jesus head? If so, any substantial difference (all other things being equal).
Living in Long Beach, CA, I am happy to say that I pretty much have my pick between the two. (lucky me!!!)
Thanks in advance.
Living in Long Beach, CA, I am happy to say that I pretty much have my pick between the two. (lucky me!!!)
Thanks in advance.
Why don't you talk to them and determine for yourself which one is right for your application?
Fireballed! is close so you might as well visit their shop. If Hubie will talk to me about the head, he will talk to anybody!
The "heyzoos head" guy seems to be very open to discussion as well. Have fun!
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The RMW head of coarse.
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At the moment 231.9whp doesnt cut it, I think the phrase is "work on it son"
[/quote]Ok Paul, let's dissect fact from "Fiction".
Let's recap your video to get some facts
[FONT=Arial]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prlsWnL5k90[/FONT]
Now that we have seen the video lets extrapolate and see who is spreading misinformation:
The video you guys made "claims" 600hp with stock head and 2000lbs
The car ran 10.62 @ 128.46mph
Based on this info I would suggest you put down your shovel because the hole you digging is getting deep.
10.62 et = 389hp at the flywheel. All this with with a GT2871 turbo, nitrous and a Stock head.
Now take the next scenerio with a bigger GT35R turbo, nitrous AND the Fireballed head
2000lb car @ 133mph trap speed equates to 433hp at the flywheel
Why no ET?
So going to a 200hp more turbo AND the Fireballed head, you only picked up 5mph and a slower elapsed time...
Let me ask you a question. How well is the Fireballed head doing?
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Longboard the M600 is called the M600 becuse it will make 600hp when it needs to, what is the point of the Fireballed team running mph and the approaite et for 600???
A good heads up racer will do enough to get the job done and not scare the opposition away, he will also do enough so a sanctioned body wont slap more weight on him or restrict the turbo size.
Jan needs to get his *** into gear and get the car finished and get it on the track, I personally believe he should have sorted out the race car first before launching the head because its had a detrimental effect on the race car and thats not good for the Mini community or the Mini racing community.
As for head horsepower the Fireballed head has proving itself at the track, we're now just waiting for a Jesus head to verify itself at the track and take all the records away.
I look forward to the header dyno results next week its been a long time coming but I'm sure it'll be worth the wait, what intrigues me the most is how much more it will make without a tune over the 231.9 and then with a tune.
There seems to be a lot of tuning going on around the world next week
Oh and my short block has just run a 7.68 @ 188 mph on pump gas on drag radials in a 3400lb street car
A good heads up racer will do enough to get the job done and not scare the opposition away, he will also do enough so a sanctioned body wont slap more weight on him or restrict the turbo size.
Jan needs to get his *** into gear and get the car finished and get it on the track, I personally believe he should have sorted out the race car first before launching the head because its had a detrimental effect on the race car and thats not good for the Mini community or the Mini racing community.
As for head horsepower the Fireballed head has proving itself at the track, we're now just waiting for a Jesus head to verify itself at the track and take all the records away.
I look forward to the header dyno results next week its been a long time coming but I'm sure it'll be worth the wait, what intrigues me the most is how much more it will make without a tune over the 231.9 and then with a tune.
There seems to be a lot of tuning going on around the world next week
Oh and my short block has just run a 7.68 @ 188 mph on pump gas on drag radials in a 3400lb street car
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Longboard the M600 is called the M600 becuse it will make 600hp when it needs to, what is the point of the Fireballed team running mph and the approaite et for 600???
Paul,
I don't understand why you wouldn't go faster if you "could" because you are racing Quick 16 based on your video. You have to beat the guy next to you and there are cars running 9 seconds in Q16.
A good heads up racer will do enough to get the job done and not scare the opposition away, he will also do enough so a sanctioned body wont slap more weight on him or restrict the turbo size.
Paul, please put the shovel down buddy!
See above as there are no restrictions regarding turbo size in that category.
9 seconds is still faster than 10 at least in the USA
Jan needs to get his *** into gear and get the car finished and get it on the track, I personally believe he should have sorted out the race car first before launching the head because its had a detrimental effect on the race car and thats not good for the Mini community or the Mini racing community.
I can't speak for Jan but I would imagine he doesn't lay awake at night wondering if he satisfied Paul's needs for the day. If you want to donate money to the R&D program maybe you will be privvy to the testing of it.
As for head horsepower the Fireballed head has proving itself at the track, we're now just waiting for a Jesus head to verify itself at the track and take all the records away.
Paul,
The car ran a faster time with a stock head and smaller turbo so I can't see how you possibly think it has proven itself.
I look forward to the header dyno results next week its been a long time coming but I'm sure it'll be worth the wait, what intrigues me the most is how much more it will make without a tune over the 231.9 and then with a tune.
Paul,
Don't hold your breath as this is not the priority right now. You will see the numbers when all of the testing is done.
There seems to be a lot of tuning going on around the world next week
Yes there is!
Oh and my short block has just run a 7.68 @ 188 mph on pump gas on drag radials in a 3400lb street car
Paul,
I don't understand why you wouldn't go faster if you "could" because you are racing Quick 16 based on your video. You have to beat the guy next to you and there are cars running 9 seconds in Q16.
A good heads up racer will do enough to get the job done and not scare the opposition away, he will also do enough so a sanctioned body wont slap more weight on him or restrict the turbo size.
Paul, please put the shovel down buddy!
See above as there are no restrictions regarding turbo size in that category.
9 seconds is still faster than 10 at least in the USA
Jan needs to get his *** into gear and get the car finished and get it on the track, I personally believe he should have sorted out the race car first before launching the head because its had a detrimental effect on the race car and thats not good for the Mini community or the Mini racing community.
I can't speak for Jan but I would imagine he doesn't lay awake at night wondering if he satisfied Paul's needs for the day. If you want to donate money to the R&D program maybe you will be privvy to the testing of it.
As for head horsepower the Fireballed head has proving itself at the track, we're now just waiting for a Jesus head to verify itself at the track and take all the records away.
Paul,
The car ran a faster time with a stock head and smaller turbo so I can't see how you possibly think it has proven itself.
I look forward to the header dyno results next week its been a long time coming but I'm sure it'll be worth the wait, what intrigues me the most is how much more it will make without a tune over the 231.9 and then with a tune.
Paul,
Don't hold your breath as this is not the priority right now. You will see the numbers when all of the testing is done.
There seems to be a lot of tuning going on around the world next week
Yes there is!
Oh and my short block has just run a 7.68 @ 188 mph on pump gas on drag radials in a 3400lb street car
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Thanks, Astro...
Mark,
Why don't you talk to them and determine for yourself which one is right for your application?
Fireballed! is close so you might as well visit their shop. If Hubie will talk to me about the head, he will talk to anybody!
The "heyzoos head" guy seems to be very open to discussion as well. Have fun!
Why don't you talk to them and determine for yourself which one is right for your application?
Fireballed! is close so you might as well visit their shop. If Hubie will talk to me about the head, he will talk to anybody!
The "heyzoos head" guy seems to be very open to discussion as well. Have fun!
I have not had occasion to have work done by heyzoo, nor spoken with him. Until now, I had been leaning toward FB's "street" head with the stock cam, since I don't wind up the engine to high revs often. However, the community seems to be having such great results with the J head, that I thought it is certainly worth consideration. I'll probably talk with heyzoo, too, sometime soon.
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In quick 16 you run a time(et) in qualifying, when you go into the competion you are allowed to run upto 1/2 sec quicker than your qualifying without breaking out.
So with your car you might be capable on a perfect run of running 13.5 so really you would want to qualify with a 14.0 so when it come to compettion you have that .5 sec to play with.
I know as you have confessed that you dont understand drag racing, the timing ticket can tell you alot about a car on a run and when you compare it to other cars.
Here's a link, go and look at these times all the same weight cars and all the same engines bar 2 nitrous engines;
http://www.eurodragster.com/timing/2...0Pro%20Mod.xls
All of them are roughly making 2200hp look at row 116 and 117 same mph different ets but where was the race won??
So making the statement you did about the 5mph was correct, but you have to know what the rest of the timing ticket says before passing judgement then you can work out all the increments, my first question to Hubie as I'm sure Jans was what was the 660-1320et and mph gain on that pass??
when Hubie told me my reply was ******* hell, and me being me could work out what et it will run.
Isn't nice to wake up and learn something every morning
So with your car you might be capable on a perfect run of running 13.5 so really you would want to qualify with a 14.0 so when it come to compettion you have that .5 sec to play with.
I know as you have confessed that you dont understand drag racing, the timing ticket can tell you alot about a car on a run and when you compare it to other cars.
Here's a link, go and look at these times all the same weight cars and all the same engines bar 2 nitrous engines;
http://www.eurodragster.com/timing/2...0Pro%20Mod.xls
All of them are roughly making 2200hp look at row 116 and 117 same mph different ets but where was the race won??
So making the statement you did about the 5mph was correct, but you have to know what the rest of the timing ticket says before passing judgement then you can work out all the increments, my first question to Hubie as I'm sure Jans was what was the 660-1320et and mph gain on that pass??
when Hubie told me my reply was ******* hell, and me being me could work out what et it will run
.Isn't nice to wake up and learn something every morning
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A good heads up racer will do enough to get the job done and not scare the opposition away, he will also do enough so a sanctioned body wont slap more weight on him or restrict the turbo size.
Paul, please put the shovel down buddy!
See above as there are no restrictions regarding turbo size in that category.
9 seconds is still faster than 10 at least in the USA
Sorry I do know that, but I was trying to show an example i.e do enough to win or set a record but leave some in reserve.
Ask Jan If he would bother turning up to the track or even worse be in the other lane if Fireballed was running consistant 7.90s at 184
Paul, please put the shovel down buddy!
See above as there are no restrictions regarding turbo size in that category.
9 seconds is still faster than 10 at least in the USA
Sorry I do know that, but I was trying to show an example i.e do enough to win or set a record but leave some in reserve.
Ask Jan If he would bother turning up to the track or even worse be in the other lane if Fireballed was running consistant 7.90s at 184
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So u will be using that header and ex system with the Rotrex, what Rotrex have you got?? what is the pulley size??
Any chance of you videoing you two at the dyno with it??
What horsepower and trq and at what rpm are you estimating these will occur at??
Any chance of you videoing you two at the dyno with it??
What horsepower and trq and at what rpm are you estimating these will occur at??
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This post is getting a little silly :impatient.
It's meant to be about the RMW head, not which is better, Fireballed! or RMW etc. There should be another thread for that banter if it's warranted at all....
It's meant to be about the RMW head, not which is better, Fireballed! or RMW etc. There should be another thread for that banter if it's warranted at all....