For those out there interested in facts here is the dyno plot for the car that we had at the Dragon. I stand behind these numbers and based on what we saw at the Dragon , we are clearly the leaders in that we incorporate sound well designed parts as well as industry leading tuning. Any questions about the validity or testing method concerning my Dynopack dyno can be directed to John at Dynapack and he can be reached at 559-292-3800. As I said before, there is a lot of info presented here.
I also have dyno plots for one of the M62 cars that was in attendance and will posting all the dyno runs on my forum just as soon as I get the time.

 

John: 12.9:1 AFR at redline is NOT "industry leading tuning" unless you're trying to lead the industry in melted pistons. I do like that the pull was a good time length, and I see you've started cropping the misleading endpoints, so there is at least improvement in your methods. What you haven't done is said anything about the car this plot belongs to. Pulley, stock head, nitrous?

 

John I presume this is horsepower at the fly as the torque measurement is??

 

I'm no expert however I spent time looking at both of these heads and while the geometries may be different, I don't know how you claim the differences in finishes considering that they are both Cnc'ed. Both these heads are first rate manufactured. I also got a ride in the DMH car while this tuner goes about performance gains differently, I can tell you that the combination produced a rocking car.

RMW header along with its head was impressive.

 

With TampaMCS's car the problem was the adapter socket could not fit with the hub adapter. Nobody had any suitable lug nuts to use either. He was running a tuner lug conversion with some odd shaped lug nuts.

A M62 car was dyno-ed. It turned out far less HP and torque than a stock car. Of course the information I gathered about this was that it didn't have any sort of tune. It was just the M62 married to the engine. So it has the potential to create some serious numbers.

The GFIs on the power kept tripping making it impossible to run the fans for the IC and radiator. That and it didn't look like any of the Saturday morning appointments ended up turning up. I got down there around 10am when they were packing things in and didn't see any cars lined up for tunes like I did on previous days.

As for the Wicks event, if you're referring to the one at Summit Point last year they tried to run with the boost control valve on the car got stuck open. With the car not running it wouldn't have made any sense to stick around. So they packed up and went back to the garage to figure out what happened (at that point they didn't know it was the boost valve).

 

I was for sure there early for my appt. John informed me that they did not have sufficient power and internet requirements. These factors along with the rain pre-empted any tuning that could have happened. According to john.

I don't know squat other then how to install bolt ons and drive the pants off my car. So who am I to disagree or agree with any of it.

 

Their back!

 

Paul, the Torque Flywheel label is incorrect. It is actually hub torque but my software has several issues in this regard that Dynapack is aware of and will fix in the next day or two. The same is true for the column labeled Manifold Absolute Pressure. This is actually gauge pressure not absolute. I have a software fix on the way that will correct these issues. The numbers are wheel or hub torque. Flywheel torque is actually those numbers times 110%. The horsepower numbers are also wheel numbers so to find flywheel just use the 110%. We are approaching 270 at the crank. Not too shabby mate, for a couple wanna be's.
Here is the list of mods: Wegner head, Stahl header, LDG intercooler, LDG high volume fuel system, 15% pulley, Schrick cam, LDG tuning. JCW 380 injectors, Spec stage 3+ clutch.
I think Webster here has the best advice and that is the timeslips don't lie. We stopped today because this car has a bad cam sensor. We'll get back to it in a day or two. Paul, we have a drag event with our Evo on the 19th. I'm just finishing up the stroker build. I'm using a kit that I got from Toda last year. We'll probably run this Mini as well. What's the time to beat ?

 

In an unmoderated forum such as NAM the claims made by vendors and shills are difficult at best to deal with for those who do their utmost to provide facts. Take the above: Thumper is not only endorsing the RMW head but is also claiming that he is able to produce heads that coupled with only a 15% pulley will gain more than 55WHP (222-152-15). I am here to say that I have never seen it and am highly skeptical that I ever will.

 

 

Wait till you guys hear about the new set of rules for vendors when Jan hits the forums again!

Oops! Did I let that slip .

 

Who, the seagulls? Or????

 

No silly, seagulls don't try to sell you stuff that doesn't compare to the real thing .

 

John,

I have never called you or Don wanna be. I don't think any one else has either. I actually believe you can tune pretty darn well. It's the methods you use to get attention and the way you and Don belittle your fellow vendors and NAM members that bother me.

That said, can you please post "your" numbers in "your" thread and stop using this one to get attention.

Thanks,

Longboard

 

Ryephile-
You have no basis for the statements other than you seem to have an issue with me that you have never discussed with me. Since you were looking at the head why didn't you want to introduce yourself to me?
I'll be sure to pass on your comments to Wegner. I would have called him over the weekend so you could have discussed them with him but he was busy at Richmond with the NASCAR race.
The DMH/LDG car was there with the a dyno sheet but interestingly not one of the three RMW head owners thought it best to dispel the 231.9 WHP, stock cam stock ecu claim. Why let the truth get in the way of a good story?

 

While we have not published our upcoming vendor posting guidelines there are a couple of points that will be in them...
Give that you are not a vendor, and in this thread, Lucky Dog/DMH has been called out many times, it is perfectly acceptable for them to post to the thread.

Mark

 

Not on of the three showed us 231.9, stock cam, stock ecu. Wonder why?

 

Correct. But no one wanted to show us at MOTD the 231.9, stock cam, stock ecu did they?

 

Wow I think we can make a movie about this thread . There hasn't been this kind of drama since the "Beta vs VHS" wars . Some of you guy's may be to young to remember that . DMH did you happen to work for Sony back then, sounds like your going to lose again .

 

Don,

Please go away and stop berating vendors and NAM member. Do you guys call each other before you attack.

Why do you continue to call me a Shill for RMW. I am currently in Holland reading your cr%$ on business for the company I work for. I do not have any vested interest in RMW you nut. But, I guess what ever makes you feel better about the fact that you don't have customers this happy about your products.

Longboard

 

LDG's dyno isn't the holy grail of all dyno's. The sooner you guys can get that through your skulls, the sooner this thread will get back on track and become a lot more pleasant! It doesn't account for any real world variables such as intercooler heat soak (How can it on a 7 second dyno run), wheel weights, traction, etc. The RMW head has been Dynoed on no less than 6 separate dyno's. It seems the only way to prove its worth is to dyno it on a dyno that you control the outcome of
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To keep calling us shills is not only annoying but down right rude. Many of the customers RMW has sold heads to are long time, well standing members of NAM. We have absolutely no business relationship at all with Jan. I paid full retail price for the head, and I’m more than satisfied!

Just because you haven't figured it out yet doesn't mean it's not possible. I'm willing to bet thumper and Jan easily has 3 times the tuning experience you do.

As I said, wait until the new vendor rules come out. There will be none of this crap anymore. Vendors will NOT be allowed to post in other vendor's threads
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If you don't have anything nice to say, stay out! M7 hasn't come in here knocking our purchase, Alta hasn't, Thumper, a direct competitor came in and said how much he liked it! Go back to the MTH/LDG forums and post whatever you want in there...leave us alone! It's impossible, we get it, we're all lying, now let us have our fun and move along!

 

Maybe because Gnatster was the only member there with the head and couldn't bolt up to your retarded dyno...

Stop spreading misinformation.

 

1. All you have to do is ask. Unreliable power is the answer.
2. It is more like240ish not 216. LDG had three cars over 220 present.
4. I run studs. It had to do with a tool in question on this particular car.
5. An M62 went on the dyno. It has potential but is underwhelming in its present state.

 

I completely understand Mark and appreciate the changes. I also think you might consider adding, "vendors openly attacking other vendors will not be tolerated". And by Don's above post, I don't just mean RMW

Longboard

 

I'll pass the "no doubt" along to the NASCAR, ALMS, Grand Am, etc engine builders. Maybe then they will stop using PSI, CHE, and Manley and go with SuperTech valves and springs. Not only would they be saving money but their cars would go faster as well.