Drivetrain 231.9WHP with new big valve head. Stock cam and ECU.
Originally Posted by rustyboy155
Ry i'm curious to see those dyno charts, I always wondered what the head would do on a completely stock car. Do you have access to them?
Originally Posted by luckydoggarage
Please, serious inquiries only. And Ryan, we've spoke on many ocassions.
Regards,
Ryan
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While we have not published our upcoming vendor posting guidelines there are a couple of points that will be in them...
Mark
If you are a vendor you shouldn't post in another vendor's thread unless you have that vendor's permission or there is an inaccuracy posted relative to your product.
If you are a member and create a thread vendors (all of them) are allowed to post to the thread.
Give that you are not a vendor, and in this thread, Lucky Dog/DMH has been called out many times, it is perfectly acceptable for them to post to the thread.If you are a member and create a thread vendors (all of them) are allowed to post to the thread.
Mark
probly just similar. i have seen NO cooper stuff on summit .
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Longboard doesn't have to be a vendor to demand a basic level of respect that should be expected from any conversation. Especially from an individual who has in the past beat other vendors AND members up over their choices. Being a vendor doesn't give Don the right to come into a thread that was created with enthusiasm over an exciting new modification and talk ***** about our choices and the accuracy of multiple dyno pulls. If anything he should be held to a higher standard than a normal member, as a paying vendor, he has a responsibility to stick to the rules, and treat paying customers with respect.
I have nothing against LDG or their tuning, I’m sure they do great work, they've asked legitimate questions and gotten legitimate answers. I'm not sure where the confusion lies as far as the accuracy of the dyno results. Gnatster's car was tested on several different dyno's in 2 different states and every pull was within 5 HP.
We don't get paid for this, I’m here because it's exciting, and I wanted to share my excitement. We're all enthusiasts here.
I've invested considerable amounts of money (People nitpick about $10-20 off when i'm trying to sell something, about stoopidgirl charging $5 for shipping, etc... well i'm close to $500 just in dyno fees and gas money driving 130 miles round trip 6-7 times) to test, and retest the results of this head, simply because I want to make the information available to everyone as part of a community.
Longboard has offered his car up as a mule for more than one modification to be tested. We don't get paid for this stuff! We don't get any compensation or discounts!
Jan is certainly a friend, but he's earned it! He's knowledgeable, and he doesn't beat around the bush. He tells it like it is. He's not paying me to hype up his products. Trust me, I work hard to afford all the crap I’ve put on my car. I've spent more money chasing HP before I met Jan than I ever would have imagined, installing his head made almost as much of a difference as the first 5k I spent on the engine between intercoolers, pulley's, exhausts, software, etc.
I have nothing against LDG or their tuning, I’m sure they do great work, they've asked legitimate questions and gotten legitimate answers. I'm not sure where the confusion lies as far as the accuracy of the dyno results. Gnatster's car was tested on several different dyno's in 2 different states and every pull was within 5 HP.
We don't get paid for this, I’m here because it's exciting, and I wanted to share my excitement. We're all enthusiasts here.
I've invested considerable amounts of money (People nitpick about $10-20 off when i'm trying to sell something, about stoopidgirl charging $5 for shipping, etc... well i'm close to $500 just in dyno fees and gas money driving 130 miles round trip 6-7 times) to test, and retest the results of this head, simply because I want to make the information available to everyone as part of a community.
Longboard has offered his car up as a mule for more than one modification to be tested. We don't get paid for this stuff! We don't get any compensation or discounts!
Jan is certainly a friend, but he's earned it! He's knowledgeable, and he doesn't beat around the bush. He tells it like it is. He's not paying me to hype up his products. Trust me, I work hard to afford all the crap I’ve put on my car. I've spent more money chasing HP before I met Jan than I ever would have imagined, installing his head made almost as much of a difference as the first 5k I spent on the engine between intercoolers, pulley's, exhausts, software, etc.
I did not let ya'll touch my car because I don't trust you Don. I saw the way the "mechanic" was tossing wheels around. That put the final nail in the coffin. I am a wheel ho and if someone tossed my custom painted BBS's around like that I'd have wrung his neck. I had planned on getting a tune from LDG but backed out when I saw the way that John stooped to your crap slinging level. I'm sorry he put his horse in your corral.
Believe it or not there are more ways to skin a cat. Bad mouthing anything that is not of your creation will get you no place. Why not try to show us what can be done instead of disparaging what others do. It is that attitude of yours, that has spread to LDG as well, that turns me away. You could have the unequivocal best stuff and I would still not buy from you.[FONT="][/FONT]
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i like this thread and all the bashing, its fun. i think this thread is on track. he posted up the how much power he made and we are discussing
. albeit in a totally immature and unproffesional way.
i work with a guy who thinks things can only be done one way (his way which is also the only correct way). he is a complete ******* and everyday i work with him it makes me want to stick a screwdriver in his forehead. but i dont (yet) you just got to let the haters hate
. albeit in a totally immature and unproffesional way.i work with a guy who thinks things can only be done one way (his way which is also the only correct way). he is a complete ******* and everyday i work with him it makes me want to stick a screwdriver in his forehead. but i dont (yet) you just got to let the haters hate
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the more of this thread I read the more it makes me want to return the mini to stock and dump it.
It's rediculus. It's starting to turn into the presidential elections where I have to chose which person I dislike the least. I don't mean to black ball myself with any vendors or what not... but talk about a huge buzzkill for me on modding my mini.
sigh... maybe i should stop at pully, cai, ecu, and exhaust and save for a car that has a more mature aftermarket scene (in both parts availability and attitudes).
edit: as an after thought
nam + zealots + vendors + egos = vwvortex?
It's rediculus. It's starting to turn into the presidential elections where I have to chose which person I dislike the least. I don't mean to black ball myself with any vendors or what not... but talk about a huge buzzkill for me on modding my mini.
sigh... maybe i should stop at pully, cai, ecu, and exhaust and save for a car that has a more mature aftermarket scene (in both parts availability and attitudes).
edit: as an after thought
nam + zealots + vendors + egos = vwvortex?
i like this thread and all the bashing, its fun. i think this thread is on track. he posted up the how much power he made and we are discussing . albeit in a totally immature and unproffesional way.
i work with a guy who thinks things can only be done one way (his way which is also the only correct way). he is a complete ******* and everyday i work with him it makes me want to stick a screwdriver in his forehead. but i dont (yet) you just got to let the haters hate
. albeit in a totally immature and unproffesional way.i work with a guy who thinks things can only be done one way (his way which is also the only correct way). he is a complete ******* and everyday i work with him it makes me want to stick a screwdriver in his forehead. but i dont (yet) you just got to let the haters hate
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Or, you could vote with your wallet and buy the head that is getting the best analysis. Ryephile does not have a dog in this fight (so to speak). His earlier analysis touched on all of the objective factors that a cylinder head must address to maximize hp and ft/lbs. At this point, it would seem that the little devil's effort at creating a cylinder head is the current state of the art for the R53. Someone may surpass him in the future. But right now, it is the state of the art.
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My wife has this head installed on her car and the difference it made is night and day. She loves driving her car around town and having people look at her and say "WTF was that?" Sorry, I didn't do a pre dyno because they had already been done and I didn't want to spend the $70. Jan and Danny were awesome to work with. I made a phone call and 4 days later her head was installed. Two weeks later the car is running even better than before and neither of us could be more pleased. I understand a tune is in the works and I look forward to even more new and innovative products available from RMW. She is striving to have the fastest MINI owned by a woman. We will definately be repeat customers.
Last edited by batrugger; May 8, 2007 at 07:11 PM. Reason: Double Post
Just look at the big ole smile on mine and Mini Firemans faces in this pic. It's all from the head.....
Gotta look really close...
Those smiles have nothing to do with the fantastic setting, the great TSW suspension nor the incredible skill of the driver (that would be me).
It's totally the head and the comradarie...
Yeah, thats my story and I'm sticking with it!!
Gotta look really close...
Those smiles have nothing to do with the fantastic setting, the great TSW suspension nor the incredible skill of the driver (that would be me).
It's totally the head and the comradarie...
Yeah, thats my story and I'm sticking with it!!
Last edited by gnatster; May 8, 2007 at 07:49 PM. Reason: Cropped pic some so reposted
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Wow...what an afternoon 
I love reading and commenting in some of these threads...so entertaining. Not that I don't have my own psychological deficiencies, but Don - DMH - I've wanted to say this for months...you have a superiority complex. Fun to watch though! The rest of the vendors on this board...all I can say is 'handle your business'. Do that and your success is in your hands, not someone elses! I am by no means an expert in mechanics/physics/engineering, but I am quite proficient in business and specifically in customer service and purchasing. My view on vendors is businesslike...use whichever one gives you the best advantage. If you can leverage the best product from the vendor with the worst service, then selfishly do it because you'll get the best product...don't make it personal! Handle your business gentlemen
I love reading and commenting in some of these threads...so entertaining. Not that I don't have my own psychological deficiencies, but Don - DMH - I've wanted to say this for months...you have a superiority complex. Fun to watch though! The rest of the vendors on this board...all I can say is 'handle your business'. Do that and your success is in your hands, not someone elses! I am by no means an expert in mechanics/physics/engineering, but I am quite proficient in business and specifically in customer service and purchasing. My view on vendors is businesslike...use whichever one gives you the best advantage. If you can leverage the best product from the vendor with the worst service, then selfishly do it because you'll get the best product...don't make it personal! Handle your business gentlemen
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My $.02 just IMO
Now that my head (no pun intended here) is spinning:impatient , I just want to say good luck to all venders and tuners with their heads. Competition is a good thing, and very good for us consumers.
Frodo
- No two Dynos are the same; no two runs on the same dyno are the same. A Dyno reading is what that particular car, with those particular mods, ran on that particular day, under those particular temperatures and conditions.
- No two heads are the same; each head is ported differently and will probably out perform the other as it was designed with specific mods for a specific purpose (i.e. street driving, track racing, drag racing). I believe that if a head (or cam for that mater) is R&D with specific mods (header, exhaust, intake, injectors, throttle body, bla bla bla) will not perform as well when using other mods or purposes.
- There are 3 sides to every story, this guys, that guys and the truth.
- Letters, email, and IM can all be interpreted in several ways. There are no body language facial expressions or tone to read off of.
Now that my head (no pun intended here) is spinning:impatient , I just want to say good luck to all venders and tuners with their heads. Competition is a good thing, and very good for us consumers.
Frodo
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. Either way, enjoy your new head!
Right on.
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Then the truth will be out as the et and mph and vehicle weights come in and then we will see who makes the most horsepower and torque on the real world dyno (1320ft of tarmac)
With a bit of luck Isellem might get back out again
I still don't quite see how the drag strip makes a very accurate "dyno"... Each driver is different. What if somebody shifts slower than another person, their times, and such are going to be different.
What about different tire sizes, weights, compounds, even track conditions... (it seems to me one of Don's bitching points is that due to any other dyno but his, wheel weights are going to skew the results....)
Even if 1 person drove each of the cars, they still might be off a little bit compared to an earlier or later run...
If you could enlighten me a little bit more... I'm not much of a drag racer... so what do I know :impatient
What about different tire sizes, weights, compounds, even track conditions... (it seems to me one of Don's bitching points is that due to any other dyno but his, wheel weights are going to skew the results....)
Even if 1 person drove each of the cars, they still might be off a little bit compared to an earlier or later run...
If you could enlighten me a little bit more... I'm not much of a drag racer... so what do I know :impatient
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I still don't quite see how the drag strip makes a very accurate "dyno"... Each driver is different. What if somebody shifts slower than another person, their times, and such are going to be different.
What about different tire sizes, weights, compounds, even track conditions... (it seems to me one of Don's bitching points is that due to any other dyno but his, wheel weights are going to skew the results....)
Even if 1 person drove each of the cars, they still might be off a little bit compared to an earlier or later run...
If you could enlighten me a little bit more... I'm not much of a drag racer... so what do I know :impatient
What about different tire sizes, weights, compounds, even track conditions... (it seems to me one of Don's bitching points is that due to any other dyno but his, wheel weights are going to skew the results....)
Even if 1 person drove each of the cars, they still might be off a little bit compared to an earlier or later run...
If you could enlighten me a little bit more... I'm not much of a drag racer... so what do I know :impatient