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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 11:42 AM
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The target price for the kit will be $3K and they have painstakingly developed it so all the pieces/mods you already own will still work (yes!) this makes getting your car to close to the performance of mine pretty easy..... damn Look for an official post from the OEM pretty soon.....this is very exciting to me..... fingers crossed
I'd pay $2 - 3K for this kit. The fact that you could install it and instantly be around 220 WHP without butchering the car is exactly what makes it so attractive!

I actually have a spread sheet on my PC with a mod plan in stages that would get me to that WHP ballpark but it was going to take 10 grand and three or four years of saving to do it.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 11:52 AM
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I was just talking to one of the guys here at work (GM dealer) and it seems there is a vendor we can get a reman Eaton M62 from, at a ridiculously low price.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 12:16 PM
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blasts fro the past:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...&highlight=m62

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...&highlight=m62

a few of these old boys still around?
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 12:18 PM
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Nice to see you still around John

Old is new again eh?
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 12:28 PM
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the car I think myzamboni was thinking of is the Cobalt SS. That uses an Eaton M62 and has a similar sized engine to the caliber. !
First, let me say the Chevy website is one of the worst I have ever used...

Second, I am confused... the Cobalt SS is only making 200hp and 200lb*ft of torque with 2.0L of displacement and the larger M62 supercharger..!? Is Chevy just being a pansy or are we missing some limitation of this setup? Maybe they aren't cooling the air after it's compressed by the supercharger? Anyone know any other details about this engine?

Anyway, seems odd...

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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RallyMINI2005
First, let me say the Chevy website is one of the worst I have ever used...

Second, I am confused... the Cobalt SS is only making 200hp and 200lb*ft of torque with 2.0L of displacement and the larger M62 supercharger..!? Is Chevy just being a pansy or are we missing some limitation of this setup? Maybe they aren't cooling the air after it's compressed by the supercharger? Anyone know any other details about this engine?

Anyway, seems odd...

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I don't know what ratio their pulley is set up for but it makes sense that the larger displacement is eating up more of the greater pumping capacity M62, therefore the net effect would not be as great as pumping the same amount of air into our 1.6...
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RallyMINI2005
...Second, I am confused... the Cobalt SS is only making 200hp and 200lb*ft of torque with 2.0L of displacement and the larger M62 supercharger..!? Is Chevy just being a pansy or are we missing some limitation of this setup? Maybe they aren't cooling the air after it's compressed by the supercharger? Anyone know any other details about this engine?

Anyway, seems odd...

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It's my understanding that the power output is grossly understated by Chevy.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RallyMINI2005
First, let me say the Chevy website is one of the worst I have ever used...

Second, I am confused... the Cobalt SS is only making 200hp and 200lb*ft of torque with 2.0L of displacement and the larger M62 supercharger..!? Is Chevy just being a pansy or are we missing some limitation of this setup? Maybe they aren't cooling the air after it's compressed by the supercharger? Anyone know any other details about this engine?

Anyway, seems odd...

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There is no IC on the Cobalt engine. The SC bolts right to the intake manifold. The only source for somewhat cold air is a weird fenderwell air intake setup. I work at a GM dealer and am looking at the illustration in my electronic parts catalog.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyB
It's my understanding that the power output is grossly understated by Chevy.
Seems you might be right...

"Our test vehicle, which resembled a sunburned lobster, ripped from 0 to 60 in just 5.9 seconds and through the quarter-mile in only 14.4 at 100 mph." - C&D

You won't get than kind of performance with a mere 200hp... especially since the Cobalt SS under test weighed 2911lbs! Sounds like underrating to me... A JCW MCS requires almost 6.3sec to 60 and 15.1 sec to pass the 1.4 mile.

Hmmmmmm... maybe we can wait for a high school kid to send is Cobalt SS into the weeds and then go raid it for the supercharger!

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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by theroyalwe
the car I think myzamboni was thinking of is the Cobalt SS. That uses an Eaton M62 and has a similar sized engine to the caliber.

here's the crazy person in me thinking... if the M62 will work... what about the next size up? it's already been established that the engine can handle massive HP... and massive HP from a massive SC would be quite an adventure!
Nope, I was thinking about the Caliber (and obviously I was incorrect)
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 01:14 PM
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Just got off the phone with Dave...

He had a few odds and ends parts overnighted that he had to put on this morning, and he was cleaning up everything/putting it all back together for the last time WOOT! Should start dyno tuning the A/F ratio tomorrow, so we'll have numbers soon.

He also said the kit should be available for sell in about 8 weeks...way sooner than I expected. I'm giddy as a schoolgirl.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 01:27 PM
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Ryan, that is great information. A brief description of the install, and time and expertise needed would be nice to know. Thanks much. Sounds like it could be a fun winter project. Where's Sid's thread!
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 01:31 PM
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Just got off the phone with Dave...

He was waiting on a few odds and ends parts to be overnighted that he put on this morning, and he was putting everything back together for the last time...WOOT!! Planning on going to dyno tomorrow for air/fuel tuning, so we should have some numbers to post soon.

Dave plans to have kits ready to sell in about 8 weeks...way sooner than I imagined. The install will be pretty much bolt-on by taking off the nose of the car. He's done it so many times now it only takes about a half hour.

I work all day tomorrow but should be able to drive down and pick it up Thursday if it's ready. Soo giddy like little school gurl

SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST...MODS CAN U DELETE THIS ONE? Thanks
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 01:35 PM
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BTW, click on my gallery for a few more pics of this project
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 05:32 PM
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Any thoughts on the stock alternator handling the load of the water pump.

Most draw 5-6 amps. There's a nice HP savings here but electric water pumps didn't used to be ideal for long term cruising. They'd get quite hot.
There might be much more intelligent control circuitry currently. Does anybody know if this is true or not?
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Major Mini
I'm giddy as a schoolgirl.


Can't wait to hear more about this!!
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by obehave
There's a nice HP savings here but electric water pumps didn't used to be ideal for long term cruising. They'd get quite hot.
There might be much more intelligent control circuitry currently. Does anybody know if this is true or not?
The latest 3 series (E90) uses an electric water pump. It only comes on when needed. As a result, the 3 series reaches regular operating temperature faster than most cars.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by obehave
Any thoughts on the stock alternator handling the load of the water pump.

Most draw 5-6 amps. There's a nice HP savings here but electric water pumps didn't used to be ideal for long term cruising. They'd get quite hot.
There might be much more intelligent control circuitry currently. Does anybody know if this is true or not?
Good thought - we realy dont need the cooling for 4-- HP. It would be great if the water pump was variable speed or at least 2 speed - maybe queued of the radiator fan or soemthing.

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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 06:31 PM
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The water pump is triggered by the thermostat or another similar type of switch. Dave also made some changes to how the coolant flows around/through the block which will cool it more effectively. This pump is capable of cooling 500hp v8 race engines so heat accumulation shouldn't be a problem here.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 06:36 PM
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Like Obehave - I was more worried about drawing to much power than cooling adequtly - it is not that hard to cool or bad little 1.6 liters.
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 06:51 PM
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Gotcha. Hopefully there'll be enough power. It doesn't have fogs or a big stereo. I guess we could put a pulley on the alternator : )

Originally Posted by Wesport
Like Obehave - I was more worried about drawing to much power than cooling adequtly - it is not that hard to cool or bad little 1.6 liters.
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Major Mini
Gotcha. Hopefully there'll be enough power. It doesn't have fogs or a big stereo. I guess we could put a pulley on the alternator : )
I figure you're joking but just in case...
Overdriving the alternator is not the right way to handle the load.

More info on this when you can would be appreciated.

Thanks
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 09:15 PM
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This does have possibilities , keep on forging ahead! We are with you all the way

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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 09:38 PM
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This has ultimate sleeper written all over it!!!
 
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 09:55 PM
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definitely interested!!!
 
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