I had a talk with the co developers of the kit...last night and this morning..... they are DDM and BR Performance both of Greenvile SC.....

BR and DDM co developed but DDM is more R&D and BR will handle sales.....I am very impressed with both Dave and Brant respectively.

you can go to brperformance.com to get a feel for the company....they are in the Miata business and moving into Minis with this flagship product.... soon there will be a place on their site dedicated to the Mini product offerings including the SC conversion.....

if all goes well shipments could start as soon as 6 weeks.....the price will be $3-3.5K depending on last minute cost assesments..... this is very reasonable for taking a 170 hp Mini to 235 hp. which is close to where I am at and I spent $1800 or so just on a head for maybe 20 hp..... this is very promising... for us guys with mods that want to get to the 300 mark that work should start in about a month (fingers crossed) the good news is that every effort was made so that we can keep our existing mods.....

Brant said so far the plan is that BR will be the sole source but will work with bonafide shops with mechanics as points of distribution and install.....

this is the kit I have been looking for and if you go back and search my threads you will see that I have lots of posts on this.....very, very promising

 

For those of you who think this set-up will make 300whp, you are going to be very disappointed. The s/c mod is a good thing but theory and reality are two different scenarios. I look forward to the results. This is probably the best modification for a non-turbo mini.

 

??? Why not 300hp? I don't immediately see a reason why it wouldn't...

Do you have any solid reasons to doubt this sort of output?

I certainly think it _possible_, but it's all a question of $$$ and time.

RM2k5

 

It will only make that power with other mods.....it will not be like the TC kit that can get that kind of power out of a stock engine......so please don't think that.....

BR has a kit for the Miata that put out 200 whp with the 45 and 300 with the 62....while they do not know for sure yet that is their estimate for the Mini....we'll see

 

Their,rightfully, conservative estimate of 250 HP on a bone stock motor is nice to hear.
No big hype, no pipe dreams, just an achievable baseline.

I'll be very interested in what a well modded motor like SpiderX or Sid's will get out of this.

But what I'm really interested in is torque. If this could bump my car up to ~230 lbs/ft it'd be money well spent especially since I think this will make easier lower RPM torque than any other solution out there.


Thanks for the continued info from those involved.

 

FWIW, BRP has an excellent reputation in the Miata community. Innovative and great service. I was wondering if they were gonna get into the MINI game with the M62 - they were the first to stuff it in a Miata, IIRC.

 

Absolutely! Torque is definitely worth the $$$! I don't care as much about peak HP as I do about off-the-line-grunt... I'm also curious about the torque curve, if this setup generates torque earlier in the RPM range then it's doubly with the investment!

I'd also like to say thanks to those involved for all their hard work!

RM2k5

 

Spider, what mods will make you think you will get 300whp? What evidence would support this? A twincharged car took over 25lbs of boost to make 300whp. What in heavens would make you think a supercharger running less would do it? This is a 1.6L car. I would love for them to prove me wrong but I seriously doubt a street driven mini will do it.

 

I have another question. There was a glimpse of it earlier but really hasen't been covered.

Will people also still be able to use an aftermarket pulley for more hp/boost? Will our internals of the engine take the higher boost?

Thanks!
-Cody

 

Polizei, it's ALL aftermarket. I'm sure there'll be iterations of testing (both by the designer and the crazier among us) that will get us to the "dial it up until it blows, then back off a notch" level. The bottom end is certainly good for more than the 10lbs stock - how MUCH more will be TBD and subject to how much risk one is willing to take.

 

The 300 number is a "wishtemate" please don't take it as a claim of any kind.... they have gotten 300whp out of the Miata with modded engines and they are hoping for same....there are no claims by the company but just some hopeful thinking..... I'll take 250-275 and be thrilled if the torque numbers come up which I'm sure they will.... sometime in the next 4-8 weeks there will probably be an install and a dyno done on a modded engine and then we will all see...... please no claim-no flame.... this is a great project...... let's see where it goes

 

wow this is awesome news! subscribing to this thread now..

 

250whp is plenty for me...with my current mods, that's like running with nitrous all day long

 

It's not all about boost. Go out and bang giant dents in your header. You'll definitely see more boost but I'm thinking the HP won't go up.
I'm joking to make a point though. Don't make the argument based on boost alone.
Quick and easy gains using this will be;
1. Cooler air charge because the larger SC will create less for a given amount of air flow.
2. More air flowing at a given RPM. There is a greater mechanical loss in this but the net will be a gain.
3. No parasitic loss from driving a water pump. Conservatively 5-7HP I'm guessing.

I'm certain there are others but I can see the 250 number being quite reachable and 300 not being that far out. And I'm thinking you won't need 25psi to do it.

"Street driven" is a very flexible term

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishbulb

heh - this reminds me of the first bunch of guys who managed to strap M62's to thier miatae...

Isn't it funny how someone almost figured it out in the third post. Those "first bunch of guys" was us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by minimute

Spider, what mods will make you think you will get 300whp? What evidence would support this? A twincharged car took over 25lbs of boost to make 300whp. What in heavens would make you think a supercharger running less would do it? This is a 1.6L car. I would love for them to prove me wrong but I seriously doubt a street driven mini will do it.

Don't forget that psi is not the measurement you should be using. Boost is a measure of resistance to flow. With these cars you want mods that lower boost and increase flow. The header example mentioned above is a great illustration. Put a restriction in the system downstream of the SC and you'll see boost increase and power nose dive. Conversely, bolt a huge exhaust to the car and you'll probably lose 1psi and pick up 12hp. What's more important, the 1psi you lost, or the 12 hp you gained? This is the reason BRP has never marketed kits by their boost output, but by the whp they make.

I can't say what the peak hp will be, but with all the guys running around here with cams, head work, etc..... I'm excited.

(BTW, I don't want to violate any rules here so I'm going to try to avoid talking about specific kit features or "selling" the kit until we're sponsors. I'll stick with general theory for now. )

 

Now if only Getrag had an AWD kit on the market similar to the one they were testing a while back, this new SC kit would be just the ticket!

 

Rob welcome to NAM, and thanks for having a presence here!

To echo what you said, when I went with my custom 2.5" straight exhaust (battery box removed), I lost 1.5 lbs of boost, but the additional power is there, w/o a doubt.

How many miles do you plan to put on this kit prior to releasing it?

 

The twinster!

So lemme ask this.....how can someone lose 3-4psi out of nowhere with no changes to the motor.....bad gauge?

 

AWD would be nice... also how much will the current clutch/tranny/half-shafts take on a regular basis. Power is nice.. but the rest of the car needs to be up to the task.

 

I understand that we probably need better pistons to run above 20psi. That said - it is a lot easier to contain boost spkikes with a SC than a turbo - so it may be easier for us to get closer to the max without the risk of dropping a piston than the TC guys.
Can't wait to here more - hope my AGS 3 will still fit - but doubt it.
Wes

 

PS - we don't need no stincking AWD - we can do it all with FWD and save weight.
Wes

 

IF anything... RWD. I'm cool with staying FWD, keeping it light, with our minimal driveline loss.

 

heh heh...I can assure you my car will be thoroughly tested with ***** to the wall driving every hour of the day I'm awake! I plan to post some videos as well.

To address earlier questions about power consumption from the electric water pump, Dave isn't too concerned about the few amps it will draw. Many other aftermarket add-ons draw more power.

The piggyback fuel management (ELF) is scheduled to be installed later today or tomorrow am. Rob can better explain the details of that unit. Dyno will be tomorrow.

 

This seem's interesting, I was considering TC but this may change my mind. I can't wait to see the real Hp numbers as I already have a JCW that should on the dyno make between 185-195 hp so 3K for 50hp more seems a lil steep to me but ,If I got closer to 300 I'd be more than happy to throw down 3k. Also, I'm courious about the fitment of the AGS as I was looking at them today.


A lil late on the subject but at the track a Cobalt SS ran a 13.9, I don't get my mini did a 14.8 but mp trap speed put the mini in the low 14's I just have to learn to launch better. Any way maybe the cobalt make more than the 200 hp or either that torque makes a big diffrence.

 

So the kit will also include feul managment software? is this kind of like the
Unichip?