Waiting for more numbers is likely the best solution.

But you are beginning to grasp the complexity of the problem. It's much, much worse than throwing an equation at the data and expecting the answer to be the "it".

the point I was making there is that the increased speed and volume of air over the cooling surfaces of the intercooler over a given amount of time will carry away more heat than the conventional solution because it's in one end, and out the other, at speed. In vertical IC's, the air goes in, comes to a relative standstill while it waits to be pressurized through the intercooler. The pressurization, as you've correctly asserted, heats the air, so the actual ambient temperature moving through the stock intercooler is potentially higher by degrees than the true ambient temperature. With less pressurization, the M7 DFIC is cooled by a much truer ambient temp.

 

Just wait until I break out the flux capacitor. Then we'll really have a show!

 

Show off. Why I oughta kick yer *** for even suggesting that there showboatin' nonsense, William!

 

"Mom-my head hurts, physics is tough!"

Man, I hold an "advanced" degree and all this stuff makes my head spin.

Oh.... that's right...

it's an MD, not a PhD

Matt- Just tell me if living in the dry AZ desert a "bigger" IC is a good choice for moi'. If so which one??

 

Hey! There's nothing wrong with MDs! I am myself a candidate for just such a piece of paper! You should hold it with pride.

 

Only if the car is moving

 

Im not sure I understand. What "extra variables" did I add?

If the intercooler does indeed work similar to a front mount, it will gain some of the benefits of a front mount. I think what your saying about pressure has something to do with the fact that top mount intercoolers require the air to turn 90 degrees in order to hit the intercooler at a perpendicular angle. Front mount intercoolers don't have this drawback so air flows more easily through the core, increasing its low speed effectiveness.

What it doesnt explain is how you're getting extra heat transfer. Heat transfer relies on a difference of temperature of two objects, otherwise you'll have thermal equilibrium. When the intercooler's temp reaches the ambient air temp, there is no incentive for the energy to transfer to the air to be carried away. At least thats how I learned it. Let me know what Im doing wrong.

 

Your post makes perfect sense! But my issue is with the outlet temp being lower than ambient. Or was that a fluke?

I'm delrious!!

obehave, only on NAM

 

Does it lay down some flaming rubber? That has to be a must.

Also where do you expect us normal folks to get 1.21GW to power that sucker?

And more interesting-ly, does going forward in time add infinite whp?

 

On how much money you have, and what else you have on your car. Depending on how the M7 and the production Alta flow through test out, I'd say spend the money on other stuff. ICs aren't cheap. If you have lots of mods on your car, go for one, but if you're just starting the mods, I'd spend the money elsewhere first.

Just think, for $1800, you can get a Webb head!
Or for just under $1900, you can get the M7/Cosworth head.

Or for $300, you can get one of the scoops, and improve the stock unit.

Or for <$100, you can get the stock one coated, and get a bit of a gain....

Matt

ps, we should all keep in mind the benefit per dollar spent. None of the ICs I've seen or tested are the best bang for the buck. That's why in the MC Squared article, I didn't reccomend it as an early mod.

 

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=46268

This is old and needs updating, but you get the idea....

Matt

 

Now you're starting to do it right! The extra variable you added is "constant mass flow"

Look at every efficiency calculation on this site. They use one condition to determine efficiency: heat!

So now we need to redefine how we want to calculate efficiency. You can achieve higher than 100% thermal efficiency fairly easily.

 

Whats the patent #?

 

I hold the key.....lol

 

Don't know but it would definitely help your ET.

Trap speed 15MPH, ET .000000000000000001 Sec.

 

I think I've got it.
The hood is the heat sink and the IC is a giant Peltier device.

 

Nah, man, you have to reach the coveted 88 mph, remember?

 

hmmmmmmmmm.....

 

I'd pay big money for a huge thermoelectric heat pump that's tough enough to handle the vibration from an automobile engine!

 

Peter, Will, and Randy
Originally we were going to send you this message privately but we thought that other members would be interested in the information.

It would appear that our companies have been developing a similar top mount intercooler. Before we finalize our design can you publish your patent number(s) so that we make sure not to infringe on your patent.

Also please specify your AGS tube patent number(s) as we are continuing to develop new silicone products for the MINI. I don’t think that anything we have in the works is similar to your tubes(s), but its always nice to double check.

Hope everyone can learn a bit about patent from these quick questions.

Thanks

Jeff
To refresh you on the ALTA Sidedraft
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=56802

 

hahaha

 

How is constant mass a "variable" ?

I think you mean temperature and not heat, but yes, we're looking at a thermal efficiency. I still dont understand over 100% thermal efficiency without some 3rd party energy source.

 

You should be able to find these pretty easily by searching the US Patent and Trademark Office database at http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html
There is access to both issued patents and published applications

 

I already gave up.

Good luck

 

Been following the thread with interest. Was hoping for more discussion, but after the Alta posting its dried up.

This thread has the vibe of a fun poker game suddenly gone serious... someone just threw thier keys on the table.