I understand what everyone is saying but I could have sworn I saw more boost on my boost gauge. I might have been in a different gear thou...
Sounds like a test to me....lol I will download stock file and see.....
Thanks for the info.....

 

What is the suggested plugs to run with stage 3 ?

 

There's no clear requirement. I run Brisks, but if anyone needs NGK's I have a set!

 

Back to the sport button , The dyno sheet I'm posting is stock everything. The first pull of 153.7 is sport button off , then the 2nd and 3rd pull is sport button on , 161.6 and 162.2 ...... so lets just say 7 hp different ????
Seam like to me the button does more than just change the gas pedel and steering ???

 

Did you go one plug colder ?

 

Yeah the Brisk plugs and the NGK plugs I have are one step colder.

 

Doesn't sport mode also enable over boost (allows a temporary boost spike) This is of course is with the stock map. Also, with your dyno, try and do it in 4th gear instead of 3rd. I waisted a whole dyno session not doing this.

 

That was 4th gear , what makes you think it was 3rd ??

Thats what i thought as well. I notice 2-3 psi more with sport on, but people keep saying there is no performance diff ......

 

As previous said, it's probably the over boost function. Not sure exactly how that works.

 

There is no place that I have seen that shows the added PSI from over boost, or even how to access it. However, it is generally believed (via data like yours) that Sport mode does 3 things (with a stock tune):
1) remaps the throttle sensitivity. Try just moving from a red light with it on and with it off, there is a huge difference, however, it really makes little difference with WOT
2) tightens the steering; AKA makes it "heavier"
3) Allows over boost. The Bently Manual only mentions an increase of TQ, but it would go without saying that allowing added boost (1-2PSI woulds about right) would in fact increase HP too.

Now, with a tune (as seen in this thread) sport mode will not do the last function as max PSI should be utilized with the tune, this is why most people say it does nothing in reference to a tune thread.

 

With my 07 MCS "Sport Mode" On boost is cut at 4000 rpms, however with "Sport Mode" Off boost is cut at 4500 rpms. My manual only confirms this to be true. Looking at flier for the 2013 GP2 technical data says "Sport Mode" Off 1750-5750 rpm and "Sport Mode" On 2000-5100 rpm.

 

Not just the States but I've known Brits, Aussies, Poles, and others who would take issue with at least the seeming intent behind it. Going to leave it be beyond that though, those who don't get it rarely get it after attempting to explain/clarify. That's why such a small percentage of the population is (or even was) military in a voluntary environment.

As for the number on here in the military (or were) military types in my experience tend to enjoy tinkering and/or be able to appreciate performance either from being an Alpha type or from being around unique machines, etc. Plus it's often a good way to hang out with the guys (or gals) drinking beers between shifts/duty hours in places where a bar or whatever else may not be readily available. Just for some off-the-cuff reasons why it might seem there's more military on a largely mod-oriented forum for a rather sport-oriented vehicle.

Sorry if re-derailed, back on track...

If this is a fairly decent spot for it, what's the main difference between linear tunes, aggressive, etc? Is it initial punch when pressing the pedal vs a smooth acceleration curve throughout the gears or is there more behind them?

 

Most people do not care for the pure linear throttle tune. Its very boggy at the low end, meaning you have to put a lot of throttle input to get it to go. In several cases, from what John told me, people kept killing it when taking off from a dead stop. So they made an 'aggressive-linear' tune for that problem. Its a lot more user friendly. It feels like a N.A. in terms of input, and as you said, it gives a smoother acceleration. I run this throttle map. The standard throttle map is like stock. A lot more throttle output for a set amount of throttle input. When it comes to full throttle it makes no difference of course. Standard throttle will feel faster down low but its not.

 

Got it, thanks. Yours sounds like the direction I'd prefer to go. Not a fan of pushing a pedal and not getting far.

 

not sure what the military has to do with a mini cooper sport button but.... I will leave it at that

 

Once I found out about the sport fixing the throttle its the first thing I hit once I get in the car..... mucho better

 

You should get the FES Auto On. I never have to take the extra step of hitting the sport button. Some will say it takes less than a sec to push it and get going, sure, but I would like to do one less thing when I get in the car and not have to think about it. $50 well spend in my book. I spend well over $10k on the MINI, what's $50 I say...

 

Color me odd, but I like having to hit a bunch of buttons. I like the toggle switches and having to flick them. If its not too hot of a day where I don't feel like venting the car as I approch it, I'll keep the windows up just so I can hit 3 window switches, lock button, sport button, radio, a/c or heat (if needed), and start button. One of those boyish things I love. Like its a plane/jet/spaceship

 

lol. I like the toggle switches as well, I think they look great and in the F56, they look even nicer to mess with especially with the Power as a real toggle instead of a button, but the Sport button isn't a toggle and doesn't have the same press/feel as the toggles. I like the press of a good button, and the Sport button isn't one of them.

I have a mechanical keyboard at work and these are buttons worth mashing on.

 

Laptop at home has one of those flat keyboards and I hate it. Thats why I spend most of my forum time on the work keyboard. Mechanical is much better. I need the feedback and contour of the keys.

 

Laptop doesn't bother me too much, but only reason why I use a mechanical is because it's a Razer gaming keyboard which has a few macros on the side I can make. Very helpful with the work I do, so it's a win win.

Anyways! Back to tuning!

 

I have a question about the BT Stage 3. What advantage do either tune give you? I know the Linear pulls and pulls, but the non linear dumps torque and gets you to max HP quicker, wouldn't those 2 things make having it the preferred one? I am new to tuning, but it seems to me that a quick peaking plateau is better for performance (especially since both produce the same amount of HP) despite the aggressive linear feeling like it pulls more in the top end. I am constantly programing between the 2 (like weekly) to figure out which is better.

 

Yeah, it's understandable to get into the powerband quicker, it's a turbo so a lot of people are going to want that instant on kinda feel to get around people or just chug around town on.

Me personally, I just love hearing my exhaust wailing on WOT, so that's one main reason why I like the aggressive linear map.

And when I track, it's just more predictable out of a corner compared to stomping through a corner and getting all the boost at once which isn't ideal...

I may not be the quickest everywhere I go because I have to rev the crap out of it, but it's fun this way and everyone that has driven my MINI find it interesting to say the least when they get on it and they don't feel the hard boost kicking.

 

I also see the aggressive linear map just another way to keep the longevity of my car in check. If its slamming all that power upfront after a while (perhaps a reallllly long while) things will fatigue. I got this tune for a little more juice for my DD vehicle.

 

I will post a dyno sheet tomorrow for my Battle\DNA Stage 3 tune.

I figured i would do a Stock pull and then flash to Stage 3 to show the difference. Looking to go E45 or another turbo so wanted to see how much it goes up. Also tomorrow will be to check out an issue that im having with boost running at 14psi instead of the 19 sometimes. I notice it when rolling on the throttle to full mostly but if going from 0-100% throttle i get full boost.