Drivetrain Project X-300
6th Gear
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From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)
I wasn't aware there was a saying, I was nearly making a comment... Lol
6th Gear
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From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)
Unfortunately though, you don't go anywhere without torque...
I'm all for high horsepower, but your need good torque numbers too, and frankly I feel that anything under 200 ft/lbs tq. is useless...you might as well be a Honda...
Atleast that's how I was raised...(my $.02)
I'm all for high horsepower, but your need good torque numbers too, and frankly I feel that anything under 200 ft/lbs tq. is useless...you might as well be a Honda...
Atleast that's how I was raised...(my $.02)
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5th Gear
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I 2nd that motion.
However I would go as far as saying that I would love to have the tq raised to 200 and whp to 250. Now thats a nice round 20% differnce.
5th Gear
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Nope .
By stroker I mean he's increased the displacement of the stock 1.6 Liter motor to 2.0 liters. He's made the engine larger. The increased displacement means more torque and HP. The 20% increase is significant. For comparison, VWAG Recently refreshed their 1.8 liter turbocharged engine by enlarging it to 2.0 liters. That's only a 9% increase in displacement.
The current rotrex kit is being tested on a stock 1.6 liter displacement motor (I don't mean the motor is stock, just that it hasn't been stroked). There are plans to test a modified kit on a 2.0 liter "Stroked" motor, which should be interesting.
Bed time for me, I have to get up at 6 am for work
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. By stroker I mean he's increased the displacement of the stock 1.6 Liter motor to 2.0 liters. He's made the engine larger. The increased displacement means more torque and HP. The 20% increase is significant. For comparison, VWAG Recently refreshed their 1.8 liter turbocharged engine by enlarging it to 2.0 liters. That's only a 9% increase in displacement.
The current rotrex kit is being tested on a stock 1.6 liter displacement motor (I don't mean the motor is stock, just that it hasn't been stroked). There are plans to test a modified kit on a 2.0 liter "Stroked" motor, which should be interesting.
Bed time for me, I have to get up at 6 am for work
.wow go figure. Thats new news to me.
I just thought that the Rotrex was the NEW SC, replacing the old M45 and that is it. However, had no idea the whole engine was being stroked as well to a 2.0L displacement.
Or is it that you can have the Rotrex for both the 1.6L and the new stroked 2.0L as well? Anyways, this makes for a call to Jan to clarify everything.
wow go figure. Thats new news to me.
I just thought that the Rotrex was the NEW SC, replacing the old M45 and that is it. However, had no idea the whole engine was being stroked as well to a 2.0L displacement.
Or is it that you can have the Rotrex for both the 1.6L and the new stroked 2.0L as well? Anyways, this makes for a call to Jan to clarify everything.
I just thought that the Rotrex was the NEW SC, replacing the old M45 and that is it. However, had no idea the whole engine was being stroked as well to a 2.0L displacement.
Or is it that you can have the Rotrex for both the 1.6L and the new stroked 2.0L as well? Anyways, this makes for a call to Jan to clarify everything.
I will have kits for both engines
call me anyway..... as I have some info for you.
I'll have to throw these in my tool box of sayings!
6th Gear
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From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)
I don't really care about CARB. I don't have to have my car tested for 5 more years, and even then, there are ways around the tests. While the Rotrex may be CARB certified, I highly doubt that it's certified in this application.
Turbo only would end up costing upwards of 8k before you even got into the head, pistons, etc. I think this is a nice compromise.
Turbo only would end up costing upwards of 8k before you even got into the head, pistons, etc. I think this is a nice compromise.
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6th Gear
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From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)
. While you're at it, we can call up Getrag and get them to make an AWD Conversion Kit .
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From: Defiance, Ohio
Now, I had heard a while back about a all wheel drive conversion, but I think it got flushed down the "office". I could only imagine what beasts we could create if we also had all wheel drive. Yes, it adds weight, but think of the turbo applications that would be possible...Tuls would have a ton of fun!
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From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)
Now, I had heard a while back about a all wheel drive conversion, but I think it got flushed down the "office". I could only imagine what beasts we could create if we also had all wheel drive. Yes, it adds weight, but think of the turbo applications that would be possible...Tuls would have a ton of fun!
There's rumor that BMW will be offering it as an option in late 08-09.
Peace Keeper
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From: Defiance, Ohio
There was another article that was from Getrag that showed diagrams and a bunch of other information, I have no clue where it was...I wish that I did. It had cut-aways and actual pictures of it installed on a Chili Red Mini Cooper S!
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Turbo only would end up costing upwards of 8k before you even got into the head, pistons, etc.
Care to elaborate on that? And you say thats before another, lets say 2k for the head and pistons...
Peace Keeper
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Yeah Ace, Turbo only systems add up really fast. All the little things($200 here, $150 there, and a few more $200's) It gets there fast. I am starting my turbo conversion soon. The main reason is because a lot of the parts end up being one-offs or low production, or self made.
Also, this only happens if you do it right. If you want a complete break down and are not posting to frustrate people give Tuls a PM he is a great guy and has done some incredible things(as has Jan, but you two seem to be on the "rocks" with your comments).
Also, this only happens if you do it right. If you want a complete break down and are not posting to frustrate people give Tuls a PM he is a great guy and has done some incredible things(as has Jan, but you two seem to be on the "rocks" with your comments).
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From: Rancho Santa Margarita
but your post still has that 23 year olds sarcasm hanging in it. Didn't you used to hang around Hubie's shop when he was back your way? You should know what a "real" turbo kit will run you. It isn't cheep to do it right. If turbo is what you want then go for it
. Why are you trying so hard to stir the pot in this thread??????
Longboard
Take this as a starting point:
http://www.detroittuned.com/products...20050324230623...it's for a twincharge kit...add on install labor...then add on new pistons and valvetrain componets for the turbo only...don't forget clutch and flywheel...do it right and get an LSD...$$$$$
Some that claim to have 'done it right' spend around $10k on turbo only conversions.
http://www.detroittuned.com/products...20050324230623...it's for a twincharge kit...add on install labor...then add on new pistons and valvetrain componets for the turbo only...don't forget clutch and flywheel...do it right and get an LSD...$$$$$
Some that claim to have 'done it right' spend around $10k on turbo only conversions.
I don't expect you to reply with a dollar amount because I know you can't, but if you had to pay retail price for everthing you have and pay to have it installed it would be just as much and you know it.
I'm not saying at all that one is better than the other, just trying to level the playing field.
Please don't take any of this personal, as that is not my intent.
I just ask for people to quit sugar coating everything.
Living on the bleeding edge is an expensive sport fella's, get over it!
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Turbius Maximus
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From: Infinity and beyond
head and pistons 2k
Turbo 1500
BOV 300
injectors 500
clutch/flywheel 1200
LSD 1200
Turbo intake manifold 1500
electric water pump 300
interkewler and piping 700
misc... including but not limited too.. welding and fitting, lines, fittings, etc 1200
need I go on.... some of these prices are very fair... for instance my clutch fly wheel set up is 1800... and from what I know a head is 2k, pistons are 600 and the proper head studs from arp are 150
... sure I am only at 7k now... but when mine is done.. and I do labor my self it will be... mmmmmm.... 11k not including the parts I got for sponsorship or cheap... if I include those... I am back up around 14k... but that's when I am dont.... oh and that doesn't include proper brakes, suspension, tires, and wheels to go with all that power... cuase I'll tell you what... when you can get to 130 in just over a quarter mile things can get real hairy real fast... and you need to be able to slow down and turn just as fast as you can accelerate...
oh and I forgot the body kit to fit the tires wide enough for getting proper traction... LOL wooo! can't wait for that... or I sell the car before then and get something RWD LOL cuase I miss being sideways and still having control...
but the difference in power you can make at a similar boost.... Turbo will always be the way for BIG results... but the Rotrex offers a nice compromise for those who don't need/want all that.... 300 WHP in a mini is no joke... let alone 400 and 500...
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