Drivetrain 231.9WHP with new big valve head. Stock cam and ECU.
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Thank you ! We need a good grammar cop on this beat
"Irregardless" is the name of a restaurant in Raleigh...and a pretty good one at that!DJD
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[QUOTE=djdport66;1406335]Off subject:
Thank you ! We need a good grammar cop on this beat "Irregardless" is the name of a restaurant in Raleigh...and a pretty good one at that!
DJD[/QUOTE
irregardless is in my Websters from 1977
Thank you ! We need a good grammar cop on this beat "Irregardless" is the name of a restaurant in Raleigh...and a pretty good one at that!DJD[/QUOTE
irregardless is in my Websters from 1977
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YES!!!
I feel vindicated - irregardless (regardless; a combination of irrespective and regardless sometimes used humorously)
I feel vindicated - irregardless (regardless; a combination of irrespective and regardless sometimes used humorously)
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According to Merriam-Webster (the furthest from the definitive source on the English language) says this (no emphasis added):
irregardless
One entry found.
irregardless
Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\ Function: adverb Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless Date: circa 1912 nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
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However, if you really want to know if it is a word or not consult the OED (Oxford English Dictionary). I have the OED ed.2 at home on CD but it won’t work on Win XP, I guess that’s a $295 book down the drain.
The on-line version won’t let you search, unless you pay $295 per year or $29.95 per month.
irregardless
One entry found.
irregardless
Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\ Function: adverb Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless Date: circa 1912 nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
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However, if you really want to know if it is a word or not consult the OED (Oxford English Dictionary). I have the OED ed.2 at home on CD but it won’t work on Win XP, I guess that’s a $295 book down the drain.
The on-line version won’t let you search, unless you pay $295 per year or $29.95 per month.
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Regardless, use this "word" in my classroom at your own peril!
Sorry, but the little professor in me just can't help my self...
BOT please!
231.9 whp HOLLY CANNOLI!!!
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From: Rancho Santa Margarita
The new injectors will arrive today.
Longboard
What size did el recomend?
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I am interested in the outcome.......
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Spider,
You know who my Tuner is and I believe you have his number. I'm not the technical guy. I can answer some but not all questions. You are more then welcome to give him a call. He would love to talk to you.
Longboard
You know who my Tuner is and I believe you have his number. I'm not the technical guy. I can answer some but not all questions. You are more then welcome to give him a call. He would love to talk to you.
Longboard
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I do ....... and so far so good...... my questions are not that complicated....if I really dig in I think I know who to call
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Attachment 18924Yes, the numbers are real (see attachment)
231.9WHP and 184FTLb Before the head I was at 193.1WHP and a peak of 172FTLB but it fell off quick. The dyno was done a week apart. the outside temp was only 3 degrees different between days. No water, no spacial fan, no ice just the same car before and then after adding the head.
All this from my new "Big Valve" head with a stock cam and the stock ECU. My Tuner el spent allot of money and time to develop this head. I was amazed at how well the car performs with the stock ECU. The car runs better now then when the stock head was on. Tommarow we are putting in the new custom ground cam with adjustable cam gear. Next week the custom header and 3" exhaust go's in. The final item of this "5 piece system" will be the custom ECU tune. We will dyno the car after each install along the way to document the numbers. All on the same dyno
I have read allot that big valve heads will kill low end TQ. Well, take a look at my dyno numbers. You can throw that idea in the trash. The TQ starts immediately and stays flat across the board. The car pulls unreal!!!! I can't wait until the rest of the system gets put on.
Longboard
231.9WHP and 184FTLb
Before the head I was at 193.1WHP and a peak of 172FTLB but it fell off quick. The dyno was done a week apart. the outside temp was only 3 degrees different between days. No water, no spacial fan, no ice just the same car before and then after adding the head. All this from my new "Big Valve" head with a stock cam and the stock ECU. My Tuner el spent allot of money and time to develop this head. I was amazed at how well the car performs with the stock ECU. The car runs better now then when the stock head was on. Tommarow we are putting in the new custom ground cam with adjustable cam gear. Next week the custom header and 3" exhaust go's in. The final item of this "5 piece system" will be the custom ECU tune. We will dyno the car after each install along the way to document the numbers. All on the same dyno
I have read allot that big valve heads will kill low end TQ. Well, take a look at my dyno numbers. You can throw that idea in the trash. The TQ starts immediately and stays flat across the board. The car pulls unreal!!!! I can't wait until the rest of the system gets put on.
Longboard
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Most, if not all, OE heads are pretty conservative. A good comparison would be a SB Dart to an SB OE V8 head. Then compare the valves. There is some power to be had with just the valves. I use to cut & radius the valves on the backside & make them as thin as they could stand, effectively making a larger opening (like a cam only more lift from the backside of the valve ).
The stock injectors, no suprise - they should run out of snott. 380s should work but my guess is larger. I know this tunner has a well thought out plan, with as much time spent as the rest of the components, for the final tune on Longboards car.
All Longboard needs to think about is traction.
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From: Rancho Santa Margarita
A head with bigger valves is the like having a cam with a longer duration. There's always a big gain with the head. It's the first thing you need to make any mod work to their potential.
Most, if not all, OE heads are pretty conservative. A good comparison would be a SB Dart to an SB OE V8 head. Then compare the valves. There is some power to be had with just the valves. I use to cut & radius the valves on the backside & make them as thin as they could stand, effectively making a larger opening (like a cam only more lift from the backside of the valve ).
The stock injectors, no suprise - they should run out of snott. 380s should work but my guess is larger. I know this tunner has a well thought out plan, with as much time spent as the rest of the components, for the final tune on Longboards car.
All Longboard needs to think about is traction.
Most, if not all, OE heads are pretty conservative. A good comparison would be a SB Dart to an SB OE V8 head. Then compare the valves. There is some power to be had with just the valves. I use to cut & radius the valves on the backside & make them as thin as they could stand, effectively making a larger opening (like a cam only more lift from the backside of the valve ).
The stock injectors, no suprise - they should run out of snott. 380s should work but my guess is larger. I know this tunner has a well thought out plan, with as much time spent as the rest of the components, for the final tune on Longboards car.
All Longboard needs to think about is traction.
As for traction, it will be coming soon enough. Along with a clutch and flywheel and and and and and and. You get the picture.
Longboard
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Wow... super hard to say. I'm looking forward to what the turbo mini's will do in the end... in the meantime I'll be watching carefully to see what happens with this tuners products. Keep us posted Longboard!
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I liked the OBX. For the money you can't go wrong. I hate to take the OBX and the Milltek off this week because the sound is crazy cool with the new head.
But, my new head flows sooooooo much more air we need to let it breath to truly show the potential of the head. The new header/exhaust should make a big difference.
Longboard
But, my new head flows sooooooo much more air we need to let it breath to truly show the potential of the head. The new header/exhaust should make a big difference.
Longboard
I know there is nothing like hearing and experiencing a car's sound in person but it's something man!
Believe me, I'd much rather leave snowy Ohio and check it out in person!
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From: Rancho Santa Margarita
Once you do get it installed do you think you could maybe post some sound clips of the revolution header and exhaust? Personally I prefer the ones recorded by folks while driving around but outside sound is cool too heck anything is cool!
I know there is nothing like hearing and experiencing a car's sound in person but it's something man! Believe me, I'd much rather leave snowy Ohio and check it out in person!
I know there is nothing like hearing and experiencing a car's sound in person but it's something man!
Believe me, I'd much rather leave snowy Ohio and check it out in person! BL
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The car runs pretty rich from the factory, the only time you need the full injector capacity is at red-line at WOT. The rest of the time they'll be fine. So there will be a RPM at which the A/F ratio starts to head lean due to injector saturation.
Matt
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in in the photos of the head. There's nothing but valve and spark plug in the combustion chamber!
The car runs pretty rich from the factory, the only time you need the full injector capacity is at red-line at WOT. The rest of the time they'll be fine. So there will be a RPM at which the A/F ratio starts to head lean due to injector saturation.
Matt
The car runs pretty rich from the factory, the only time you need the full injector capacity is at red-line at WOT. The rest of the time they'll be fine. So there will be a RPM at which the A/F ratio starts to head lean due to injector saturation.
Matt
Not that I think that JCW knows everything... but... JCW felt the need to have 380cc injectors when the car was only putting down 175whp...
you can only run injectors at more than 80% duty cycle for only so long before one of them just gives up on life and then you have a mariokart like situation...