Spider,

Your thinking of putting a Jesus head on the M62 test mule??? How is Peter going to take that. Shouldn't you put the Cosworth big valve on?

At 22lb's of boost that thing must be cooking.

Longboard

 

 

Most of the MINI folks don't drag race cause we're driving FWD Canyon carvers, not dragsters .

 

Have you just missed the number of FWD cars that are doing drags? Sheeze, if it were all about the fastest, only top fuel dragsters would compete. But it's about how well you can do with the platform you have. Think of it as a different class of racing with different rules.

I don't drag race, but I apreciate what it takes to win. No matter if it's a rail, a funny car, or a ride-em lawnmower (set up either for carving canyons or the drags, fwd or rear, doesn't matter!)

Rolley eyes at how others want to have fun with their car just isn't top form.

Matt

 

I could be remembering incorectly, but I think the quote of 22lbs of boost from the M62 was speculation/made up. As I understand it, the advantage of the larger supercharger is increased volume at the same rpm relative to the smaller M45. I would think that makes it a natural fit to compliment Jan's freer breathing head. If I understood SpiderX correctly, that was essentially the basis for his interest in the dyno runs.

I don't pretend to speak for M7, but I doubt they care what head or other parts are used with the M62 kit when they offer it. I'm sure they'd prefer their parts, but I assume it'd be no different than people mixing their suspension parts with other manufacturers/vendor's stuff.

As for the M62 kit, M7 is only a partner in development. DDM is the core developer and producer of the kits.

 

last time I looked I was not employed by nor do I cash checks from DDM or M7..... my car is not owned by either company...... I am independent although frankly Peter is a friend of mine and I respect him and his work, and i am a big fan of his products and his customer service. My experience of Peter and M7 has been second to none in any business I have ever dealt with on anything I have ever purchased.......speaking as a man who owns a customer service business for 25 years , that is saying something.... Peter deserves his success..... Dave from DDM is an extremely knowledgable guy with a lot of creativity and is in the process of creating some great parts for Minis and other cars as well..... spend some time at his booth and you will be impressed..... my contemplation of a head not of their manufacture further illustrates my independence.....

My car currently has a 2-3 year old Webb Motor sports head with +1 valves on both the intake and the exhaust. If your claims are correct that head deserves the moniker "Jesus" head. The WMS head has not come close. This may or may not be the fault of the head, after all it is a system.... but I don't think Randy would make the WHP claim.... remember we are not talking flow numbers. Frankly, I have my doubts but if it is so, then I am interested in that head. I was talking to a very respected member of NAM who gave me the geneology of the head and he is very impressed..... I know that Sid is impressed and I respect Sid.... hence, even though I have my doubts ( I have "go fast" parts on my car that don't do *****) I would love to be proved wrong..... there are a plethora of heads on the market right now ..... I am sure most have merit bit the 231.9 with stock cam and ecu... if in fact can be verified on the east coast is in a completely different league and a big "how the hell is he doing it" factor will be in play.

I always liked "E" and found him to be a fun and passionate guy. This head, I am told, has a lot of research as I was told he has bought just about every head he could and tested them. I know the name of the OEM but that does not matter if it his spec.

UPDATE:

At this point as I write this I am not interested in a dyno at the DRagon..... I am going to have fun and this thread has gotten over the top. I am going to see my friends, Sid, Don, Bart etc ... and spend a great weekend with my GF in the mountains drinking some fine wine and driving some fine roads. Adding a bunch of political BS to it, when I have nothing to gain (I own a mfg rep business not related to cars) is not my idea of fun.

I thought I had a good idea but yes, even I can make mistakes..... my best to you all....

FWIW.... there will be 5 M62 cars with dyno sheets for those of you who feel cheated that I am backing out of this potential mess

 

Yes, but Paul's efforts could help us all to better understand how to get power out of these little motors.

Longboard

 

this is true but the demands of a road cicuit and the 1/4 mile have very different requirements......top fuel and F1..... nuff said

 

It looks like the dead horse from the M7 coilover thread has stumbled over here... Seriously guys, those of you that are arguing, get off the keyboards for a couple days and go have fun driving your cars!

 

I certainly appreciate it, and with the right amount of money you can do anything with any car, but from the factory, our cars excel in the twisties, not on the drag strip .

I certainly appreciate anyone that is able to get the types of numbers both Paul and El D himself are getting on the drag strip. I've seen the worlds fastest MINI in person, and it is indeed a beast .

I've never been into drag racing, and probably won't ever be, that's just me, but to each his own .

 

And it's definitely appreciated, I certainly wasn't knocking him. He's a respected member of the MINI community .

Like I said, to each their own

 

SpiderX,

My offer still stands...you are more then welcome to take my mini for a drive. I think that will give you a better idea of the capabilities then a dyno will. Since cells don't work there leave word for me with the folks at Detroit Tuned. We'll meet up. 1st round, after we drive, is on me.

 

Outside of my GF that is the best offer i have had in weeks.... your on...only if I can reciprocate on the second round

Bob

 

I so wish there was someone in the CT/NY/MA/RI area that could install and tune this. E reccommends Helix, but PA is just too far for me (6+ hours each way). Anyone have a secret mini tech that does weekend work?

 

The install goes just like any other head install. As for tuning it, any shop that can dyno tune should be able to tune it with relative ease. It's just a matter of matching up the right figures.

Good luck . You may want to talk to Sid (Msfitoy). He's not really that close to you either, but he may know a tuner out your way. I think he lives outside Detroit

 

MTH is in New Jersey, Lucky Dog Garage is in Maryland...sounds like MTH may be your closest shop to call. I do not have any direct person experience with either but know from here they are both highly respected and extremely knowledgable.

 

Any info about this upcoming cam? Or deals with head+header+cam?

mmm.

 

I have no info on either, sorry. Longboard know's more than I do though, so maybe he'll chime in. I *Should* see Jan later today... if I remember i'll ask him about it. From what I understand, he's trying not to give any information on the stuff he's releasing until he's 100% positive of the results. He doesn't like making parts that don't do anything .

Lets just say there's a lot of cool stuff on the horizon .

 

Slight clarification: We are called DMH Motorsports and we use both MTH and LDG ecu flashes. We are the sister shop to Precision Motorsports Racing.

 

I believe it.

 

Ok so lets see I go to a dragstrip and run a 13.09 @ 104 you probably would go and run a 13.7 @ 101 whose going to go around the Canyon quicker

I think its sad that you live where drag racing was born and you dont know the difference between a dragster and a Mini, I personally wouldn't want to go round canyons in a dragster either.

 

I have my charger off and wont to know how i can work out the pully reduction to give me the %

 

then search through NAM to find the listings of the pulley diameters!


Just kidding! The stocker is about 2.58" in diameter, quick and dirty measurement.

Matt

 

Rustyboy I was wondering how your dyno results went today after the new software flash? How much of a differance was there from the old software?

 

First of all i just wanna say congrats on the big gains with the new head.

Secondly, i was wondering if the new head has shown a larger increase in temps? Has there been any problem with any extra heat? I know this isnt really a big factor with water cooled engines. But i was wondering if you have experanced any extra heat from the new head? Have you had to change thermostats? or have had to add any other type of extra cooling to the engine?

Anyways, i cant wait to see what kind of numbers are produced with the other steps involved with the head! keep us posted.