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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 09:03 PM
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Got Dyno'd

I went to the dyno Sun at Gintani for my first dyno and this was the result:

Relevant mods are in sig below, ambient temp was around 90, we were close to sea level, don't know what the humidity was. The pulls were done back to back to back with no cool down(it was a charity event ). I had just driven 93 mi. to get there and the car was driven right in and dyno'd:

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Overall I was a little surprised by the result. I was really expecting around 170whp. I was really jazzed by my torque #'s which were a lot higher than others. I attribute them to GIAC and maybe the engine damper which is set very stiff. Looking for feedback on how to get more, maybe headers next
 
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 09:14 PM
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IT looks like the hotter it got, the worst it did.
 
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 09:16 PM
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I am no expert, but I am guessing if it was 40 degrees ambient, you would have over 190 whp. Thats why I'm waiting until winter to dyno :-)
 
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by elprofe
IT looks like the hotter it got, the worst it did.
definately shows what heat soak does
 
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 07:59 AM
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Nice numbers, you gotta be proud! What is your best guess of your peak torque figure? It looks like it occurred on the first run, but I can't read the graph well enough to tell.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by cooper99
I am no expert, but I am guessing if it was 40 degrees ambient, you would have over 190 whp. Thats why I'm waiting until winter to dyno :-)
dynos are corrected for temperature, altitude, and humidity. On a boosted motor, heat soak might play a factor in whp at higher temps, but only slight, as most of the effect is corrected for in that data already. I know where I dyno'd my wife's car they had their dyno hooked up to an RSS feed with weather data for accurate correction factors.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 08:58 AM
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Deleted for incorrect info. Dyno results bellow.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 08:59 AM
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Pretty good numbers considering the mods!

I doubt your engine damper had anything to do with the tq numbers though.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 62Lincoln
Nice numbers, you gotta be proud! What is your best guess of your peak torque figure? It looks like it occurred on the first run, but I can't read the graph well enough to tell.
It was 167 fp

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Pretty good numbers considering the mods!

I doubt your engine damper had anything to do with the tq numbers though.
Thanks I was not expecting 180 whp. Made me feel like my last 8 months of tinkering amounted to something. Actually when we watched other cars dyno, you could see the engines moving back and forth quite a distance. Mine barely moved at all since I adjusted the damper to be very stiff. Others there had them, but they were adjusted for comfort which allows more engine movement. If you transfer that movement to the wheels, then it does make a difference in performance. Not sure if it equals torque though. I have a 1.8T Jetta and one of the best mods I did that dramatically improved take off and drastically reduced wheel hop was changing the lower pendulum engine mount to a much stiffer mount.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 07:04 PM
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while it improved feel, one the wheels are rolling, it aint making any more power for ya on the dyno.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 08:41 PM
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Here are my results. Same day. '06 JCW + MTH. 184whp/160 f/lbs torque.







Lighter wheels and brakes and I cooler temps and I think 190 is not out of the question.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 12:56 PM
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Those are good numbers!! I just Dyno'd my stock 06 at 98* and managed a whopping 145.79 HP and 138.11 Tq!! But with the cold air allowing the S/C sound to SCREAM.. that makes no matter what I have, worth it!! LOL

We also made a few runs on a 04 S with the usual bolt ons and a set of ported Thumper Heads.. again 98* of good ole florida air, and made 205 Wheel HP!! Now THAT rocks!! ( 14% drive train loss = 233 BHP !!)

Just me...................................

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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Thumper460
Those are good numbers!! I just Dyno'd my stock 06 at 98* and managed a whopping 145.79 HP and 138.11 Tq!!
Do you remember what kind of Dyno it was? -- Johan
 
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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 01:21 PM
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Ummm.

Originally Posted by rubyred3
dynos are corrected for temperature, altitude, and humidity. On a boosted motor, heat soak might play a factor in whp at higher temps, but only slight, as most of the effect is corrected for in that data already. I know where I dyno'd my wife's car they had their dyno hooked up to an RSS feed with weather data for accurate correction factors.
The part about the correction for the dyno is correct, but the heat soak will massivly kill power. The IC can't cool the charge, and IATs go up. Timing is retarded, and if it goes high enough, it will dump EVEN MORE FUEL. Power will tank SIGNIFICANTLY. But not due to the dyno correction, due to ECU intervention.

There are lots and lots and lots of posts about how hard it is to accurately dyno a Mini. This is a 13 HP drop in just three pulls. I'd call that more than "only slight".

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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 01:35 PM
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Which makes Little Egg's results interesting as there is only 1 hp drop between pulls.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 02:00 PM
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First: Nice numbers!

How is the NVH hit with the engine damper? Big difference? Would a Significant Other notice the difference in NVH just driving around?

thanks!



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Actually when we watched other cars dyno, you could see the engines moving back and forth quite a distance. Mine barely moved at all since I adjusted the damper to be very stiff. Others there had them, but they were adjusted for comfort which allows more engine movement. If you transfer that movement to the wheels, then it does make a difference in performance. Not sure if it equals torque though. I have a 1.8T Jetta and one of the best mods I did that dramatically improved take off and drastically reduced wheel hop was changing the lower pendulum engine mount to a much stiffer mount.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 02:02 PM
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Mine didn't...



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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Johan
Do you remember what kind of Dyno it was? -- Johan
Clayton chassis dynamometer

Originally Posted by fishbulb
First: Nice numbers!

How is the NVH hit with the engine damper? Big difference? Would a Significant Other notice the difference in NVH just driving around?

thanks!
Thanks; I am not sure what you mean by NVH though
 
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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 04:47 PM
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Noise, vibration and

harshness, I think. It's about all the little rattling and bumping that makes the driving experience a downer.

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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 05:56 PM
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Thanks for the clarification. At first there was no difference in the NVH, but I adjusted it stiffer and it increased a little, but not enough to be anywhere near a nuisance. The car is my wife's daily driver and she doesn't complain. I would actually like to do more of the motor mounts because on my Jetta it made a huge difference in performance.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 07:11 PM
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It certainly does....

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Which makes Little Egg's results interesting as there is only 1 hp drop between pulls.
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