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batrugger Aug 28, 2006 09:03 PM

Got Dyno'd
 
I went to the dyno Sun at Gintani for my first dyno and this was the result:

Relevant mods are in sig below, ambient temp was around 90, we were close to sea level, don't know what the humidity was. The pulls were done back to back to back with no cool down(it was a charity event ). I had just driven 93 mi. to get there and the car was driven right in and dyno'd:

1st
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...r/image080.jpg
2nd
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...r/image081.jpg
3rd
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...r/image079.jpg

Overall I was a little surprised by the result. I was really expecting around 170whp. I was really jazzed by my torque #'s which were a lot higher than others. I attribute them to GIAC and maybe the engine damper which is set very stiff. Looking for feedback on how to get more, maybe headers next

elprofe Aug 28, 2006 09:14 PM

IT looks like the hotter it got, the worst it did.

cooper99 Aug 28, 2006 09:16 PM

I am no expert, but I am guessing if it was 40 degrees ambient, you would have over 190 whp. Thats why I'm waiting until winter to dyno :-)

batrugger Aug 29, 2006 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by elprofe
IT looks like the hotter it got, the worst it did.

definately shows what heat soak does :sad:

62Lincoln Aug 29, 2006 07:59 AM

Nice numbers, you gotta be proud! What is your best guess of your peak torque figure? It looks like it occurred on the first run, but I can't read the graph well enough to tell.

rubyred3 Aug 29, 2006 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by cooper99
I am no expert, but I am guessing if it was 40 degrees ambient, you would have over 190 whp. Thats why I'm waiting until winter to dyno :-)

dynos are corrected for temperature, altitude, and humidity. On a boosted motor, heat soak might play a factor in whp at higher temps, but only slight, as most of the effect is corrected for in that data already. I know where I dyno'd my wife's car they had their dyno hooked up to an RSS feed with weather data for accurate correction factors.

little egg Aug 29, 2006 08:58 AM

Deleted for incorrect info. Dyno results bellow.

TampaMCS Aug 29, 2006 08:59 AM

Pretty good numbers considering the mods!

I doubt your engine damper had anything to do with the tq numbers though.

batrugger Aug 29, 2006 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by 62Lincoln
Nice numbers, you gotta be proud! What is your best guess of your peak torque figure? It looks like it occurred on the first run, but I can't read the graph well enough to tell.

It was 167 fp


Originally Posted by TampaMCS
Pretty good numbers considering the mods!

I doubt your engine damper had anything to do with the tq numbers though.

Thanks I was not expecting 180 whp. Made me feel like my last 8 months of tinkering amounted to something. Actually when we watched other cars dyno, you could see the engines moving back and forth quite a distance. Mine barely moved at all since I adjusted the damper to be very stiff. Others there had them, but they were adjusted for comfort which allows more engine movement. If you transfer that movement to the wheels, then it does make a difference in performance. Not sure if it equals torque though. I have a 1.8T Jetta and one of the best mods I did that dramatically improved take off and drastically reduced wheel hop was changing the lower pendulum engine mount to a much stiffer mount.

TampaMCS Aug 29, 2006 07:04 PM

while it improved feel, one the wheels are rolling, it aint making any more power for ya on the dyno.

little egg Aug 29, 2006 08:41 PM

Here are my results. Same day. '06 JCW + MTH. 184whp/160 f/lbs torque.

http://jerryp.homeip.net/images/dyno/aug06/dyno1.jpg

http://jerryp.homeip.net/images/dyno/aug06/dyno2.jpg

http://jerryp.homeip.net/images/dyno/aug06/dyno3.jpg

Lighter wheels and brakes and I cooler temps and I think 190 is not out of the question.

Thumper460 Aug 30, 2006 12:56 PM

Those are good numbers!! I just Dyno'd my stock 06 at 98* and managed a whopping 145.79 HP and 138.11 Tq!! But with the cold air allowing the S/C sound to SCREAM.. that makes no matter what I have, worth it!! LOL

We also made a few runs on a 04 S with the usual bolt ons and a set of ported Thumper Heads.. again 98* of good ole florida air, and made 205 Wheel HP!! Now THAT rocks!! ( 14% drive train loss = 233 BHP !!)

Just me...................................

Thumper

Johan Aug 30, 2006 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by Thumper460
Those are good numbers!! I just Dyno'd my stock 06 at 98* and managed a whopping 145.79 HP and 138.11 Tq!!

Do you remember what kind of Dyno it was? -- Johan

Dr Obnxs Aug 30, 2006 01:21 PM

Ummm.
 

Originally Posted by rubyred3
dynos are corrected for temperature, altitude, and humidity. On a boosted motor, heat soak might play a factor in whp at higher temps, but only slight, as most of the effect is corrected for in that data already. I know where I dyno'd my wife's car they had their dyno hooked up to an RSS feed with weather data for accurate correction factors.

The part about the correction for the dyno is correct, but the heat soak will massivly kill power. The IC can't cool the charge, and IATs go up. Timing is retarded, and if it goes high enough, it will dump EVEN MORE FUEL. Power will tank SIGNIFICANTLY. But not due to the dyno correction, due to ECU intervention.

There are lots and lots and lots of posts about how hard it is to accurately dyno a Mini. This is a 13 HP drop in just three pulls. I'd call that more than "only slight".

Matt

goaljnky Aug 30, 2006 01:35 PM

Which makes Little Egg's results interesting as there is only 1 hp drop between pulls.

fishbulb Aug 30, 2006 02:00 PM

First: Nice numbers!

How is the NVH hit with the engine damper? Big difference? Would a Significant Other notice the difference in NVH just driving around?

thanks!




Originally Posted by batrugger
Actually when we watched other cars dyno, you could see the engines moving back and forth quite a distance. Mine barely moved at all since I adjusted the damper to be very stiff. Others there had them, but they were adjusted for comfort which allows more engine movement. If you transfer that movement to the wheels, then it does make a difference in performance. Not sure if it equals torque though. I have a 1.8T Jetta and one of the best mods I did that dramatically improved take off and drastically reduced wheel hop was changing the lower pendulum engine mount to a much stiffer mount.


Dr Obnxs Aug 30, 2006 02:02 PM

Mine didn't...
 
:wink:

Matt

batrugger Aug 30, 2006 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by Johan
Do you remember what kind of Dyno it was? -- Johan

Clayton chassis dynamometer


Originally Posted by fishbulb
First: Nice numbers!

How is the NVH hit with the engine damper? Big difference? Would a Significant Other notice the difference in NVH just driving around?

thanks!

Thanks; I am not sure what you mean by NVH though:confused:

Dr Obnxs Aug 30, 2006 04:47 PM

Noise, vibration and
 
harshness, I think. It's about all the little rattling and bumping that makes the driving experience a downer.

Matt

batrugger Aug 30, 2006 05:56 PM

Thanks for the clarification. At first there was no difference in the NVH, but I adjusted it stiffer and it increased a little, but not enough to be anywhere near a nuisance. The car is my wife's daily driver and she doesn't complain. I would actually like to do more of the motor mounts because on my Jetta it made a huge difference in performance.

Dr Obnxs Aug 30, 2006 07:11 PM

It certainly does....
 

Originally Posted by goaljnky
Which makes Little Egg's results interesting as there is only 1 hp drop between pulls.

Matt


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