Can't see that is much relevant.
I assume you ECU reset the stock MCS before the very first run (if not, those measurements are flawed too!)
If you did, then the "ECU memory" is only of a few dyno runs, and since the ECU is supposed to take a couple hundred miles to learn, it can't have learned much in that short time, can it?

 

Yes...we remembered to reset the ECU everytime except for the first Pilo run which got the higher than we expected number..we were under time constraint...so I thought. If I'd known that Andy was going to be so generous at the end, we'd taken 5 runs with each intake instead of 3 of the others and 7 with AGS.

 

:impatient .......... were having fun now :impatient

 

oh.. ..oh!!! i smell a rematch:impatient

 

How do these results compare with M7's internal testing?

 

It is clear (finally) that AGS certainly doesn't blow away the competition as was originally claimed. Now, if someone likes something a bit different, and enjoys the sound, with a roughly middle of the range boost in HP compared to other intakes, then an AGS is a reasonable choice. Thanks to those who did the testing!

 

:impatient as far as i see it............... AGS did not have a chance if theres faults while on those rollers. (dyno)

 

just like most of us predicted..
when the promised number was not presented by M7..
I am very glad that I've bought the Alta instead of the AGS..

 

BAHAHAHA!! Might as well ask what time Santa is coming this year!

 

:gri n:

 

Huh? You believe the AGS is at a disadvantage relative to the other two?
Or are you saying something else?
IAT was less at first, then equivalent to the others, but interestingly, the Engine Temp was slightly higher after the first run.
What you talkin' about, Willis? <the old guys will get that >

 

so I'm old now??!!

DANG IT!! when did that happen

no wonder I can fit in my toy car now...all this time I thought my imagination was just really amazing...and it turns out it IS a real toy I can drive

 

This is really unecessary and sophomoric We've gone to great length to give you guys data to spur reasonable discussions. I had hoped that more of you would want to discuss the merits of the methods or extrapolate what these numbers mean in the real world. But let's not get back to high school antic of non stop put downs. Now that this information is out there for you "scientists", lets have a scientific discussion, eh? If you have a gripe against Peter, call him up and please take it off line

 

Has anyone noticed the torque numbers? Taking the average of the first three runs of each alternative (as suggested by one of the testers, forget who said it), the M7 is highest at 147, Alta is second at 146, and Pilo is third at 145.5. I doubt anyone could feel the difference in those numbers, but it's interesting because for my $$, torque is as, or more, important in day to day driving than HP. I really don't plan on extended 7000 rpm runs down the interstate, but I use the meat of the torque curve every day.

I'm also interested in Andy's thought's regarding filter media. It would have been interesting to test each intake sans filter, just to see if the chosen filters were impeding performance of the intake.

I also wonder if these intakes are bumping up against the natural air pumping capability of the stock head and exhaust.

Thanks again guys for doing this testing. It opened up a can of worms, but it's a good can for discussion!

 

I could not agree more. If you look at hp at 4000 -5000 rpm it is along way from the max numbers that we all quote. I know there is a relationship but for my money what happens between 3 and 6 k is the all important.

 

Thank you for bringing up my lost point :smile: That's how the three of us feel. For me, 5 hp at 7000 rpm isn't the deciding factor for purchase decision. Torque, rev response and sensory enhancement are.

 

Not only could they not feel any difference, but there is no difference between those numbers, statistically. Well within the margin of error and the variations obviously inherent in the method.

Being an MC driver, I'm obviously a somewhat disinterested party here, but I hope this thread is able to keep its head above water and not devolve into pointless insults. A huge thumbs up to MSFITOY and everyone else who pulled together to get some answers in the absence of vendor support. It would be great if NAM worked this way more often.

 

Thanks for all the work guys! Hope it was fun for everyone involved!

/gary mc

 

Can you extend this statement a little further? Exactly why doesnt it stand a chance then? It seems to me that they are all close, so would all equally be on the same level for now, unless you see a blatant fault that i'm missing?

 

i believe that if...& only if, there was some faulty testin' styles while on them rollers then its all void........... i feel though if im wrong in this area then prove it/ do this test again....but really to me all that counts and all i wanted to see(from its start) is who makes more Torque??? and its pretty clear that peters made it from its 1st pull down to its 4th pull. as far as deee old guys catchin' this they should, they have been around longer than i Uknow. peace out!! oh and another thing if ur mini car is moving down the road it appears that AGS in its true design of usage will do better cuz theres that RAM air to count for thats why its mounted where its at guys.......

 

Here's my $.02 worth. I was surprised and pleased to see that any choice of an aftermarket intake is a good choice for improving performance. Personal preference wins in the end. The true merit of this test shows that we all benefit from a community that shares information and knowledge. I feel that ALL the vendors give us something of value. It's is for us the consumers to share our experiences, so we can all enjoy our shared interest -MINI's.



Now, on to the testing results, Torque is/was what I'm after. And I'm pleased to see that the AGS gives a boost where I need it. Having driven the car a few times since installation (it's my toy) I'm happy with the throttle response and added performance. As I plan more mods, the intake is an integral consideration to new changes. Now unto the pulley replacement.

 

well said, atleast somebody understands that torque is king.....allways .

HP#'s are to shaky torque will allways be there

 

This thread seems to have quickly degenerated into a "justify your AGS purchase" thread and I don't understand why. You bot it, your happy with it, it makes gains...enough.
I'm starting to understand why M7 never posted these #'s to begin with - no matter what they say people find a problem with the way the the test was conducted or the data is interpreted, or they just shout "I told you so"
Uncle....

 

never got my charts.

 

did'nt see it... heard of it (fault) ireally like this faces someone should add more gettin' bored w/this tired selection.....

//peace