and why didnt anybody say anything about this ram air effect when i brought it up is a mystery to me?!?! since its what this system is all about. not just sucking air like all of the rest of the design's out there.......by the way just a question i might add.... if this AGS is not worthy then why has it been said time after time that it will be kept in the cars that currently have them!! i think those people know that its a kool design that will prosper down the line w/more & more mods what does everybody else think????? to many people on here are missing the whole picture that this mod is a kick *** kinda intake that has been developed and researched far more in depth than most think.....or care to think for that matter

 

Joker, nobody has said the AGS is 'not worthy'. Given the results of the test, it is roughly equivalent to two other options (Alta, Pilo) on the market. Given the results, it can't reasonably said that it's markedly better than anything other than stock.

Have you got info that the rest of us don't? Please fill us in on the research, and the results obtained.

 

and i would also like to add to this, that i thought i saw some where on here that did show this when the fan was put closer or on top of the car the system showed better #'s! or if im wrong?? correct me pls......

 

You are right.

PS: We don't have the expanded data set for that run, either!

 

I agree 100 %. The big issue here with company supplied numbers is that many would not believe them anyway. We are really left to independent testing like this and take our chances.Even then when a INDEPENDENT test such as the flow of the bare tube it is talked about as being OUR test and OUR number.There is no winning LOL . I am not disappointed with the results here at all as explained with my first post addressing the test. Each car will test differently and we feel that one with mods will test better for us than one that is stock. We also appreciate the time and effort of the testers and have offered to reimburse them and the contributors that sent in their $10 with a matching discount on any M7 product as a way of a thank you.Thank you for your clear and concise post.

Randy
M7 tuning

 

See above

 

Did you see the same thing in your dyno testing (the AGS performing worse than the Alta under the same conditions)?

 

Feeling a little clever today Andy? What makes you presuppose that dynos were done under these conditions in the first place? M7 has said repeatedly these aren't the right conditions.

 

I will jump on this grenade.....

No offense, but:

What would be optimal conditions for the AGS to be dynoed at?

Cold room, iced intercooler, fan funnled directly into a sleave directly connecting to the AGS filter folds?

 

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No use to ask me. I do not work for M7 . I'm on the other coast! .

 

I will say that if a fan were above each, giving equal volumes of air, then that would be a perfectly scientific test. Hence the question about whether the intake got equal air input.

 

 

Or maybe add a leaf blower to the intake ...lol

 

and see this is the point...THEY WERE ALL IN THE SAME PLACE...so they are all equal...when you drive your Mini down the raod....it is NOT nessisarily "optimal" conditions...it is what it is....

Each intake was tested at the same place with the same variables...and you guys just keep going round and round...

we have the data...people spent alot of time and effort to get it...

it is what it is....

Alta
Pilo
M7

thanks for coming out!!

 

ingsoc,
Actually comparing the 40-104MPH
pilo (2runs) gets there in 13.82 and 13.85sec.
Alta, (1 run)13.45 sec
AGS (3 runs)13.55, 14.17, 14.56

Either way the time doesn't matter that much. If you have a car that does 200WHP and the run takes 13 sec. Then this other car does 150 and it takes 13sec, the dyno calculated more WHP on the first car, it will be faster, even though they took the same time. Its all in how they have the dyno setup. They could have the dyno programed to run the same time no matter what WHP its putting down. But the computer knows how much load it is applying to calculate HP. I am not familiar with dynojets and how they can be setup, but nearly all others can do this.

And with the hood closed, and with 40-104MPH winds our intake does get pressurized air from the window scoop and the front scoop. So with the hood open the only benifit is just fresh air, not pressurized air. I think with the hood open, the large fan in front of the car all the intakes get similar air to how they will on the road. If anything ours would get even more air, the pilo would get a little more than with the hood open, and the AGS will get basically the same air coming through the front.

FILTERS
The surface Area of the filter thing is sort of true, and i am keeping my day job. Yes you can take the pleated filters and stretch them out and get more surface area. And if you are comparing like filters (say 5"round 8" long) In the end the Area surrounding the filter is the area that the filter can suck air from.

You can't say: When a pleated filter is streched out it takes up X amount area, and foam only takes up half of X, that the pleated filter will flow twice as much. They both take up that 5"x8" area and they both have the same surrounding area to draw from.

This is the arugment that pleated filter guys always say. In fact when we looked into pleated filters and explored changing it, the pleated filter guys told us this a said how much better they are than foam because of the surface area. This is not true, both a foam and pleated filter (same size) will flow the same amount of air. We have proven this many times on the dyno with swaping a K&N with our foam (same size) and got no difference. Needless to say, if this was their strong point, we will stick with our lovely foam.

The only thing the pleats get you is more surface area to hold dirt. That is why all OEM filters are pleated like they are. Longer service life. With Foam the multiple cells act like the pleats and hold the dirt.

SIZE DOES MATTER.

 

Smaller opening , longer path , you do the math

 

WE ARE having a dyno day in SOUTHERN CAL.
hope some one will show up with one of these on there car..
i will keep you posted...
if you have mini with AGS and are in southern CAL look up the dyno day..[size=2]
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...5&goto=newpost

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Dude, Andy, why you always gotta be diffuting stuff? Man, you are such a diffuter!

Marty

PS Will be dynoing HAI vs stock sometime in October - was supposed to do this in July but free weekends quickly disappeared...getting married Oct 1.

 

:smile: hey.. didnt U allready post this some where else?

 

Regardless, I'll take a moment to echo my personal thanks to everyone who was involved in this test. Your time is not ours to take, and it is purely out of good will that you proceeded. Again, thanks. :smile:

 

And I hope your new wife will make you get rid of the crotch grabbing storm trooper in the sig! Not to happy about sasquatch either, but if only one will go, then it's gotta be the trooper!

Matt

 

 

if it is a "Ram intake"

can I ask...what is the resonance of the box?

 

It's a shame they didn't have the time/resources to test the HAI as well. That would put a rest to the filter location issue (or at least give corroborating or 'diffuting' info.)
I'm tempted to try a stock/Alta/HAI series on my stock car - it would be another datapoint, and none of those options require irreversible changes.

Continued thanks to Sid and the crew for all the work they did!