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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 07:55 AM
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Please check your email again guys. This time I copied/pasted the document into the letter body.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by andy@ross-tech.com
You should have told me prior to the dyno that you couldn't figure out how to use BiM-COM. Please send the BiM-COM Interface back to me.
Thats a shame they could'nt get it to work the data would of been handy when the s**t hits the fan, and the numbers are released.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 08:11 AM
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Thanks for the numbers . Good job guys!
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 08:17 AM
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Does stock intake have a disadvantage on dyno as compared to on road
since other intakes have air blown directly on filter element?
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 08:25 AM
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Thanks for the numbers guys! Great work!

I'm a little surprised...
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 08:28 AM
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All I got was a file named ~$Dyno.doc that cannot be opened. Can you send a text email with the results instead?
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ted leist
Does stock intake have a disadvantage on dyno as compared to on road
since other intakes have air blown directly on filter element?
not really as it still had air being blown over it/into it. the bonnet was open and the front fresh air tube was hooked up for all the intakes that could use it. so they all had the same fresh air being blown into that tube.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by andy@ross-tech.com
All I got was a file named ~$Dyno.doc that cannot be opened. Can you send a text email with the results instead?
you should be able to right click on it the "open with" then choose note pad from the list
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 08:42 AM
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LOL - that's the temp file
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 08:48 AM
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Yep, it's definitely not a meaningful file. That was all that was attached to the email, total message size 2 KB.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 09:01 AM
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now.. can someone tell us what happend ...??
so eager to see..
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 09:02 AM
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Sid, didn't get anything yet, but no worries, it will come.

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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 09:03 AM
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So, in terms of average gains over stock, the winner is Alta, followed by Pilo, with M7 bringing up the rear? At least all of them did better than stock.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 09:09 AM
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LOL then I called that one months ago!!
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 09:13 AM
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So the Simple Alta has better gains then the Oh So Fancy looking / Cool Sounding AGS? Even though its alot of hype.. I still want one
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by kaelaria
LOL then I called that one months ago!!
ditto

thanks for posting guys...

thanks to those who did the work..

it's finally over ...sigh

now WHERE'S THE VIDEO!!
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by andy@ross-tech.com
So, in terms of average gains over stock, the winner is Alta, followed by Pilo, with M7 bringing up the rear? At least all of them did better than stock.
wow didnt think the AGS would be last,
ah well at least we know thanks Andy,
will spend my money on something else.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by andy@ross-tech.com
So, in terms of average gains over stock, the winner is Alta, followed by Pilo, with M7 bringing up the rear? At least all of them did better than stock.
What was the 'under the curve' performance? Does the AGS do better down low? Did you all get any impression of throttle response performance? Thanks to all!
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 09:39 AM
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Thanks again for doing all the hard work. Nice to see the Alta make such good power. I'm still impressed though with the AGS after seeing and especially after hearing it at the Dragon on Sid's car. Great Work Guys!
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 10:20 AM
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That just goes to show you how useless the 'butt-dyno' is and how much it's effected by other things such as noise.


Oh, my intake makes a big bad-azz howling noise, so it's more powerful, I just know it! AHAHAHA!
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 10:24 AM
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So is anyone going to post the findings so everyone else can look at it?
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 10:33 AM
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I wouldn't jump to any conclusions yet. There's a lot more information that still needs to be digested before we determine which intake provided the most "usable" power/torque gains and at what rpm. Maybe Chad can chime in once he's has time to crunch the stacks of numbers. Also, Pilo had one inexplicable run that we're still scratching our heads over
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by kaelaria
That just goes to show you how useless the 'butt-dyno' is and how much it's effected by other things such as noise.
shhhh that's a secret
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions yet. There's a lot more information that still needs to be digested before we determine which intake provided the most "usable" power/torque gains and at what rpm. Maybe Chad can chime in once he's has time to crunch the stacks of numbers. Also, Pilo had one inexplicable run that we're still scratching our heads over
maybe someone could just post the charts and let them speak for them selves insted of translating...this is going to get like the Bible...what's real, what's interpreted...let's just see the data...no more hide and translate

no more showing what YOU (whoever YOU are) think is important...just the uncorrupted data


Again...I am only saying that cause the more things are corrupted the more it leaves the door open for speculation...just post the facts...it makes things easy
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 10:39 AM
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Good to know the data's getting around. Now can somebody be so nice as to post it so us lay people can see

I'm surprised to hear the AGS didn't perform so well, especially since the HAI is supposed to be better than the Alta. The AGS and HAI both run off the same concept.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by kapps
I'm surprised to hear the AGS didn't perform so well, especially since the HAI is supposed to be better than the Alta. The AGS and HAI both run off the same concept.
Not really. The HAI uses a filter with a very large surface area whereas the AGS uses a filter with a much, much smaller surface area. The rest of the AGS may very well flow better (from the data posted in the past it looks like the supercharger inlet tube portion of the AGS flows better than stock), but the small filter may be the limiting factor.

HAI:
4x6.25x7 = filter area of 119 in^2

AGS filter:
11x5x3.25 = filter area of 90 in^2

Since each filter has rounded edges, I calculated areas based on the width of the filter being the diameter of the rounded edge. Looks like filter area of the HAI filter is about 32% larger than that of the AGS filter. Both are pleated, oiled-cotton filters between wire mesh
 

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