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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 05:22 AM
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i wish we had a rapid prototype machine, although we do have a dmls
 
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Old Apr 8, 2014 | 07:31 PM
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finished the design... somewhat...

Decided to design the parts so it was as easily adaptable to multiple situations. May make some custom end plates (beyond this design) for my particular location of this intercooler, but this design could be used in any car that had the space for it.

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My build. Teaser photos and updates-tsbixc9.png


sent the parts to a machinist for quoting and he said the end plate in the back left was a bit difficult and asked if I could change it.

went ahead and helped him make some G-code, so this part came out first

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The guy I contacted to make the rest of these should have a quote for me tomorrow. If it comes out to be to much $$ or to long of a wait I may just cut most of these plates on my own in free time.


This design is almost 1.5" shorter than the old one, and only requires water ports on one end.

Also is much more shallow and wider than the old design, but would even "fit" in the factory intercooler location as its height profile is only 2.5"
 

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Old Apr 9, 2014 | 07:38 AM
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that is a very interesting end piece, why the complex end geometry? is it to help divert the flow for the water?
 
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Old Apr 9, 2014 | 12:52 PM
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yup! hit the nail on the head.

The two outer cores will have the water fed through them with the central core being on the return pass.

The water bypasses on the two outer cores will be small, but enough to bleed some cold water downstream around the outer cores for the return pass, and the bypass on the return core will be slightly larger than the outer core bypasses to alleviate some of the constriction concerns.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2014 | 06:02 AM
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im kinda afraid of how thin that aluminum is, but im sure that pump shouldnt create too much pressure
 
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Old Apr 10, 2014 | 06:22 AM
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that is a tad thin
 
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Old Apr 10, 2014 | 07:07 AM
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Metal is a funny thing, especially when it comes down to how thick something should or should not be.

the structural parts of these walls are ~4mm thick. That is plenty.

the 1mm thick places on it are merely for alignment and stopping point purposes when assembling

4mm is a little over 1/8" thick. (.15")

to put into perspective,
.065" wall aluminum pipe 1.75" OD typically has a pressure rating of 550 psi!

(WOW!)


Not normally ever run that way, but none the less.

Another good example is a #10 bolt is strong enough to lift your engine out of your car (in tension)

would you be comfortable doing it? no.
Is it technically safe and fine? yes.

(#10-32 grade 8 bolt is load rated to ~1800 lbs )
 
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I'm not worried about the structural integrity, BUT have you taken into consideration heat/expansion so that the metal wont warp once everything is hooked up and running? (I'm sure you have)
 
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Old Apr 10, 2014 | 07:20 AM
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as much as is possible. I have tried to make wall thicknesses as consistent as possible. Thick to thin is where most of your warping comes in. And it should not get that hot with water running through it.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2014 | 07:43 AM
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Just dont overtighten those bolts!
 
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Old Apr 10, 2014 | 07:43 AM
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the thermal expansions should be all that much since the temperature shouldnt change greatly, and thats what gaskets are for, granted aluminum does move the most per deg.

so long he isnt changing 200+ deg the movement is only about .008

i understand that 1/8'' alum has that pressure, just scares me a bit... and if it does break, another will just be made after it =)
 
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Old Apr 10, 2014 | 01:48 PM
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Any idea where you got that figure?

My calculations have it being .0025" movement / Inch length for a 200 °F temp swing.

Means thickness wise I am looking at .00125 of growth and length comes in at

.01"
 
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Old Apr 10, 2014 | 04:03 PM
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This is great to watch, but I have no idea what you are discussing here. I wish I'd have paid more attention in school.
 
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Old Apr 11, 2014 | 05:37 AM
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you didnt learn this in highschool =) mechanical engineering

i was more thinking of my project at work, we have a .0015 interference fit for a part. and cooling a diam of 2.951 to -321 with LN would give .014 of movement

never actually did math for yours, glad you did tho!
 
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Old Apr 11, 2014 | 05:44 AM
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kind of a nature of habbit! haha.

I am a chemical engineer by schooling, but do a good bit of mechanical engineering and prototyping work as well as when we are trying to process something and work and cannot, while some other chem-e's call in a mech-E to help them come up with something to get around it, I got tired of that and just started making things myself! haha.

After all, A chem-E is just a glorified Mech-E with a slight chem background

but a lot of what we deal with at work is extruder barrels and screws that need to not bind when they heat up so we worry about thermal expansion and leaving slop in the right places to let some things move, and other things not.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2014 | 03:08 PM
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decided to change welding tracts a little and do some aluminum again. Phew, I need to get a little more practice in, but they didnt turn out to bad.

But I decided to make the W2A reservoir tank. Still have to put in a filler cap as well as the outlet bung, but I need to order those first.

Holds .78 US GAL.
My build. Teaser photos and updates-nc0yl0v.jpg



It also doubles as the ECU bracket, shown on the right here, and this is showing the rough proposed location of the power steering resevoir and throttle body. I may move the PS resevoir up next to the drivers head lamp and rout cables around the transmission though. Not sure yet.

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Old Apr 14, 2014 | 06:51 AM
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that alum looks nice, i though you would mount the tank towards the front of the engine, less heat around it

although you are pumping the turbo and exhuast other places, so it maynot be as bad
 
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Old Apr 14, 2014 | 07:07 AM
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Well generally you want your reservoirs and fill points to be at the highest locations so that you can keep the system filled and not have water poori.g out. Haha. Unfortunately this is not possible for this since the intercooler will actuallw be directly over this tank, but it is the best I could do without putting the tank over the turbo. (Which is acting happy where I may have to put coolant overflow :| engine bay is going to be tight . OEM tight. Haha.
 
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Old Apr 14, 2014 | 07:26 AM
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very tight! may beeven be tighter since you have more stuff going in and thats right that you are keeping the intercooler in the same position. is there going to be a front mount for the w2a cooling?
 
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Old Apr 14, 2014 | 09:18 AM
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There is.

You can see pictures of it on earlier pages in the thread.

Started as the w2a radiator from a 03 SVT cobra (OES was garrett)
And I re-made the end tanks.

If it doesnt work I will probably just get a Bell core and weld it up myself
 
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 07:43 PM
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okay, well, I needed some adapter plates,
So in true "me" fashion I dimensioned them and then drew it up in solidworks and got to cutting!

Needed the flange to connect to the stock intake manifold, as well as one for the new 76mm throttle body.




anywho, after cutting away the support, this was the first test fit on the intake manifold
My build. Teaser photos and updates-wv5mpzy.jpg
As you may be able to see through the potato lens, the fitup is pretty spot on.

little better photo of the outside
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The lip inside was to line up the transition cone perfectly and give a smooth flow path.


And here is where I took a small amount of design licencing and added in an "upgrade" to the stock piece.

My build. Teaser photos and updates-zqinq1b.jpg

It now uses a square o-ring for sealing vs a gasket.
This should be leak proof up to 260psi (a bit overkill eh?)

My build. Teaser photos and updates-b5pvk4j.jpg

o-ring test fit -> spot on.

then I welded on the transition cone to bring it down from 2.5" to 2" (the size of the intercooler outlet)
My build. Teaser photos and updates-iw1idil.jpg

My build. Teaser photos and updates-dl2blns.jpg
snug as a bug!


next up is the throttle plate!

My build. Teaser photos and updates-inpzzz0.jpg

Complete with locating pins and a nifty S profiled wall on the inside!!

the S profile is because the throttle body ID is 76mm (~3") while the tubing is 3" OD, so I needed to taper the hole by .125" D (.065" radius decrease)


but she fits up nicely!
My build. Teaser photos and updates-antn4m9.jpg


My build. Teaser photos and updates-uvyinil.jpg

mmm. that transition!

My build. Teaser photos and updates-r6vn6oq.jpg




And then to hold it on I decided to buy something that tickled my fancy the other day on mcmaster carr.


So... standard bolt made from steel:

My build. Teaser photos and updates-w79ifdl.jpg



the ones currently holding the throttle body on... LOL!

My build. Teaser photos and updates-hsrz4ux.jpg




they are made from 2024-T4 aluminum. rockwell hardness of B40 and a tensile strength of 37,000 PSI (fail around 5,600 lbs of pull force on the bolt) (the same as most standard mild steel bolts) but they weigh a good bit less!
 
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 07:52 PM
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I watch a lot of cops, word of advice DONT CARRY THAT SCALE IN YOUR CAR lol
 
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Old Apr 20, 2014 | 06:12 AM
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"I promise officer! It's not drug paraphernalia! I use it to weigh bolts!"

(they would think me a nutter)
 
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anywho,

Did *most* of the intake tube this evening...
enjoy!
My build. Teaser photos and updates-s7py6zm.jpg

My build. Teaser photos and updates-9mqyazg.jpg

complete with push to connect fittings!

woohoo!!
 
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