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Old Nov 28, 2013 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by PenguinOnTheTelly
Couple quick questions NewCooper: Where do you purchase the methanol? What does it cost/gallon? How long does a gallon last? How difficult was the installation of the Aquamist? What do you do when you bring it in for service (i.e. to protect your warranty?) BTW thanks again for recommendation on the FMIC.
Methanol can be purchased at any hot rod, high performance shop in your area.

For VP M1 it cost me $4 a gallon over here in California. I've heard it can be as high as $10 a gal in the east coast! Just gotta shop around. I purchased a new 5 gal jug and use it only for the meth. Very important not to get any contaminates in the methanol!

A gallon can honestly last you a few weeks. The system will only trigger based on where the threshold is set. So you can drive around all day and never have the system come on. Right when you put your foot into it, it'll start to spray. It also depends on the nozzle size. A .8mm will flow more then a .6, so you will ultimately use up more when spraying. It depends on your settings and your driving nature.

A fellow friend/member installed mine. But I have since done an install on my cousins car and it's really not that bad. The most cumbersome part is looming the wires and running them under the car and through the firewall. Wire management lol.

It might be dealer dependent but my dealer has never even mentioned the system to me when I take it in for scheduled maintenance. And I know for a fact they've seen it, kinda hard to miss lol.

2nd Gen cars love/need this stuff lol
 
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Old Nov 29, 2013 | 09:29 AM
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Got this on a pull from 3rd to 4th on one o'clock or #6 on the JB+. Finally got my software to read everything properly so logging in the future will be easy.



 
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Old Nov 29, 2013 | 10:06 AM
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Ironhorse

Originally Posted by Go-Cart
After looking around it looks like these guys are selling that exact intercooler. It seems like they actually have some data on the intake temps for it also. Not really a fan of the way they added the fans to the front though.

http://www.ironhorsecoopersports.com/intercooler01.htm
So far my highest IAT has been 23 deg F over ambient at 15 psi boost (I think I stated it was 17.5 psi earlier but this was before I had my Dash Command to measure IAT's). That being said it is winter here in Chicago so the efficiency of my FMIC may be related to the colder outside air temps. The Ironhorse has significantly higher IAT temps but these look like they were done in the summer. Maybe someone with more experience with intercoolers could comment on the difference between intercooler efficiency and ambient air temps? I recommend you give them a call and see how the Ironhorse works on your year MINI. If you have a 2012+ they changed the steel crash bumper design behind the fascia to include a lower crash bar. Be sure to consider this if you have a newer model like mine. Other than that you may have found a nice lower priced option for people moving forward. Let us know how it works out. Those two extra fans might tax the available amps of the battery and alternator?
 
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Old Nov 29, 2013 | 10:13 AM
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Methanol

Originally Posted by NewCooperFanatic
Methanol can be purchased at any hot rod, high performance shop in your area.

For VP M1 it cost me $4 a gallon over here in California. I've heard it can be as high as $10 a gal in the east coast! Just gotta shop around. I purchased a new 5 gal jug and use it only for the meth. Very important not to get any contaminates in the methanol!

A gallon can honestly last you a few weeks. The system will only trigger based on where the threshold is set. So you can drive around all day and never have the system come on. Right when you put your foot into it, it'll start to spray. It also depends on the nozzle size. A .8mm will flow more then a .6, so you will ultimately use up more when spraying. It depends on your settings and your driving nature.

A fellow friend/member installed mine. But I have since done an install on my cousins car and it's really not that bad. The most cumbersome part is looming the wires and running them under the car and through the firewall. Wire management lol.

It might be dealer dependent but my dealer has never even mentioned the system to me when I take it in for scheduled maintenance. And I know for a fact they've seen it, kinda hard to miss lol.

2nd Gen cars love/need this stuff lol
Thanks NewCooper! Installation depends on budget (1st daughter going to college next year) and guts to move forward from here.
 
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Old Nov 29, 2013 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PenguinOnTheTelly
So far my highest IAT has been 23 deg F over ambient at 15 psi boost (I think I stated it was 17.5 psi earlier but this was before I had my Dash Command to measure IAT's). That being said it is winter here in Chicago so the efficiency of my FMIC may be related to the colder outside air temps. The Ironhorse has significantly higher IAT temps but these look like they were done in the summer. Maybe someone with more experience with intercoolers could comment on the difference between intercooler efficiency and ambient air temps? I recommend you give them a call and see how the Ironhorse works on your year MINI. If you have a 2012+ they changed the steel crash bumper design behind the fascia to include a lower crash bar. Be sure to consider this if you have a newer model like mine. Other than that you may have found a nice lower priced option for people moving forward. Let us know how it works out. Those two extra fans might tax the available amps of the battery and alternator?
Yes i have a 2013 jcw. I did hear about the new crash bar but have not seen it yet. Im assuming it can just be cut or modified to fit larger intercooler. I dont mind doing that if it just means cutting some pieces out of it. Was yours difficult? Any pics?
 
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Old Nov 29, 2013 | 11:02 AM
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2013 Crash Bar Pics

Originally Posted by Go-Cart
Yes i have a 2013 jcw. I did hear about the new crash bar but have not seen it yet. Im assuming it can just be cut or modified to fit larger intercooler. I dont mind doing that if it just means cutting some pieces out of it. Was yours difficult? Any pics?
You can find some pics of my install here:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-graphs-2.html

The Forge did not require any alterations other than I welded a mounting tab to the back of the upper crash bar to bolt the FMIC top mount to. The top mount probably isn't crucial and you could just as easily use self tapping screws or stainless steel pop rivets rather than welding. The job took me about 4 hours with a lunch break.
 
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Old Nov 29, 2013 | 11:13 AM
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Crash Bar

Originally Posted by Go-Cart
Yes i have a 2013 jcw. I did hear about the new crash bar but have not seen it yet. Im assuming it can just be cut or modified to fit larger intercooler. I dont mind doing that if it just means cutting some pieces out of it. Was yours difficult? Any pics?
Here's a couple pics of the crash bar removed. It must be removed for the install. Requires removal of about 12 bolts.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 12:05 PM
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Ordered the JB+ yesterday and got an email today that it shipped. Thanks for the fast service Terry!

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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Phipu91
I'll try that once I'm back from visiting my parents for the thanksgiving holiday. It's before the intake temp sensor. I'm running the .8 nozzle with 100% meth.
You should be good to go then!

I still have to relocate mine, the car isn't picking up on the much lower intake charge because it's spraying after the sensor.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 07:32 PM
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OK, I'm thinking there should be a disclaimer on the BMS website saying the CAN tool doesn't work very well with Nav units (or maybe I should have read thru more pages of this thread). You have to keep track of which menu you're in. Menu 1 in around 5MPH. Menu 2 is around 8 MPH, etc. Not quite as slick as the BMW video.

Anyways, I had a CEL today. I read the codes and got this:

2 Blinks
Speedo to 5MPH
2 Blinks
Speedo to 10MPH
Speedo to 50MPH
4 blinks

I have the correct engine and dashboard setup.
Any help would be greatly appreciated! I'm not really sure how to decode this and reference it with the PDF on their website. I see the P1050 in the document, but this doesn't seem possible. The light came on when I was 100 miles from home. I was able to drive the vehicle home at normal highway speeds. And if this really means a P1050 code, how do I know it wasn't a 1048 or something really close since the speedo moves so slow and doesn't "cleanly" stop? Thanks!
 

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Old Nov 30, 2013 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by blucrsr
OK, I'm thinking there should be a disclaimer on the BMS website saying the CAN tool doesn't work very well with Nav units (or maybe I should have read thru more pages of this thread). You have to keep track of which menu you're in. Menu 1 in around 5MPH. Menu 2 is around 8 MPH, etc. Not quite as slick as the BMW video. Anyways, I had a CEL today. I read the codes and got this: 2 Blinks Speedo to 5MPH 2 Blinks Speedo to 10MPH Speedo to 50MPH 4 blinks I have the correct engine and dashboard setup. Any help would be greatly appreciated! I'm not really sure how to decode this and reference it with the PDF on their website. Thanks!
I think it might have to do with your battery, just hazarding a guess though.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 07:43 AM
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cerenkov, thank you for the reply. When I turned the car on, the speedo went to 5MPH for menu 1, 10MPH for menu 2 etc.

So, now a follow up. How do I use this CAN tool to accurately pull error codes? Does the 10-50 mean P1050? When I read the codes the needle moved to 50mph and then immediately started heading back to zero. Did it stop at 50, 49, 48, etc?

Anyone else here using the CAN tool with a Nav head unit?
 
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by blucrsr
OK, I'm thinking there should be a disclaimer on the BMS website saying the CAN tool doesn't work very well with Nav units (or maybe I should have read thru more pages of this thread). You have to keep track of which menu you're in. Menu 1 in around 5MPH. Menu 2 is around 8 MPH, etc. Not quite as slick as the BMW video.

Anyways, I had a CEL today. I read the codes and got this:

2 Blinks
Speedo to 5MPH
2 Blinks
Speedo to 10MPH
Speedo to 50MPH
4 blinks

I have the correct engine and dashboard setup.
Any help would be greatly appreciated! I'm not really sure how to decode this and reference it with the PDF on their website. I see the P1050 in the document, but this doesn't seem possible. The light came on when I was 100 miles from home. I was able to drive the vehicle home at normal highway speeds. And if this really means a P1050 code, how do I know it wasn't a 1048 or something really close since the speedo moves so slow and doesn't "cleanly" stop? Thanks!
Yes the NAVI dash is awfully slow unfortunately. But with the proper MINI#2 option selected the numbers should line up.

None of the codes will be "P" series OBDII codes. They will be extended BMW codes. OBDII can't read all codes. There is a MINI extended code listing posted on the support section of n54tech.

If you need any further assistance feel free to email in.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 10:02 AM
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So does the JB+ just trick the DME into adding more boost? Or does the DME also add greater levels of timing with the JB+ than it normally would without it?
 
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 02:21 PM
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So does the JB+ just trick the DME into adding more boost? Or does the DME also add greater levels of timing with the JB+ than it normally would without it?
Tricks DME in to running off different parts of its mapped boost, timing, and AFR tables.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 12:34 AM
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I received the JB+ today in the mail and installed it this evening on my 2013 JCW at the 11 o'clock position on 91 gas. I did a test drive for about 5 miles and can already feel a significantly stronger pull. Plus, the gauges on MINI Connected were also reading higher numbers than usual. I'm excited to see the effects after the adaptation period is complete.
Also, waiting on a SG2 to monitor timing, boost , AFR, and IATs and should arrive this week. Thank you Terry for this wonderful product! What everyone has been raving about is absolutely true!

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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 06:29 AM
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Give it another 100 miles or so. It gets better.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 10:05 AM
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Are you guys that are running the 30% e85 considering the 10% that is usually already in 91 octane? So are you guys just adding 20% to 91 or are you adding 30% on top of 91 that already has 10% in it?
 
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 08:22 PM
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KilmerPT Can u please keep us JCW guys posted on how it go's with the JB+.I have the same car ,bone stock and have been waiting for any kind of review for the 2013 jcw with the JB+.Cheers
 
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 08:30 PM
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Any people intalled JB+ with stage-3 upgrade? How many horse power added? Cheers!
 
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Damon114
KilmerPT Can u please keep us JCW guys posted on how it go's with the JB+.I have the same car ,bone stock and have been waiting for any kind of review for the 2013 jcw with the JB+.Cheers
Sure thing Damon! Drove about 66 miles round trip for work today. So far, idling appears to be steady with the JB+ unlike some that have reported fluctuations. Hwy 101 was pretty busy on the way home so I couldn't go WOT, but it's now even more fun to enter the on ramps. Power is steady and stronger! This thing just ups the fun factor of the MINI to 10+ and then some if you should ever turn the dial up.

Feel free to ask any questions about the JB+ and the JCW, and I will try my best to answer with my experience with it. I currently have an aFe panel filter in the stock intake, and I also have an FMIC waiting to be installed in the garage.

I did not get the CAN tool because I do not have plans to change the DP so instead got a SG2, but I was thinking it would be cool if Terry could add an overboost light feature to the CAN tool. I'm always wondering if I am hitting overboost or not, and I might just buy it for that featur alone. lol. What say you Terry?
 
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Old Dec 4, 2013 | 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Go-Cart
Are you guys that are running the 30% e85 considering the 10% that is usually already in 91 octane? So are you guys just adding 20% to 91 or are you adding 30% on top of 91 that already has 10% in it?
Don't want to mess with your head, but don't forget the ethanol is actually E85, so it contains 15% gasolene as well (actually can be up to 30% depending on conditions), which combines with gas that contains 10% ethanol!

If you assume it is 100% ethanol and 100% gas you won't be out much at higher percentages, but out a lot at lower percentages.

For example a 30% mix of E85 and gas(10% ethanol) by volume is actually 32.5% ethanol, but a 20% mix is actually 25% ethanol and a 10% mix is 17.5%
 
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Old Dec 4, 2013 | 02:49 AM
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Has anyone used the JB+ Beta on a 2014 MCS Coupe?
 
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Old Dec 4, 2013 | 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by robbo mcs
Don't want to mess with your head, but don't forget the ethanol is actually E85, so it contains 15% gasolene as well (actually can be up to 30% depending on conditions), which combines with gas that contains 10% ethanol!

If you assume it is 100% ethanol and 100% gas you won't be out much at higher percentages, but out a lot at lower percentages.

For example a 30% mix of E85 and gas(10% ethanol) by volume is actually 32.5% ethanol, but a 20% mix is actually 25% ethanol and a 10% mix is 17.5%
Did you just throw down the "bucket method" for caclulating the % mixture? Sounds like something form college (way back in the day)
 
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Old Dec 4, 2013 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by StrikeZ
Has anyone used the JB+ Beta on a 2014 MCS Coupe?
At this point is it not beta anymore and it will work. No difference in the motor from the 2013 or previous year coupes.
 
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