Touche.

And reliably.

 

Yea, gotta talk to Jan again, hopefully he's willing to tune it....tired of being tuneless. And I doubt OBD tuning will ever be available.


These N18's are a sign of things to come from all manufacturers....damn you Bosch/Seimens.

 

Hopefully the new generation MINIs will have the BMW engine in them and more tuning options. We shall see though.

 

Uh... no, folks. The N18 is a different situation from the N14. New emissions tables are killing us, and the fight is much harder these days than with the N14.

My 2011 S N18 made more power than my 2013 JCW N18, but again - worlds of difference in what the factory neutered in terms of EPA vs performance with the EPA winning out.

It started with the removal of pop/burble, and everything went downhill from there.

 

Yeah he can but it sucks since he won't touch the N18. At least the emails back and forth that's what he told me about a month ago.

 

Or you S had a better tune than your JCW

 

You're really stirring the pot here... Everyone is completely aware of who has tuned both of my vehicles.

Looks like you're just trying to rile people up here...

 

Additionally, If you're unaware of the emissions tables changes for 2013+, you're missing the point entirely on your statements regarding the GP and the new/old numbers.

 

I was being sarcastic. Emissions makes a huge difference.


Yes very interesting. They just need to ditch the motor and get the 3 series engine in it. ha.

 

In that case, I apologize. I thought it was going to be another mud-sling fest without the whole picture in play.

The emissions change was a kick in the nuts, but you're really not going to like the next one coming. It's not from the 3-series...

 

I say it's time we all look for R53's hahaha


They may have dinosaur engines compared to the 2nd gens, but at least there are no where near as many restrictions.

Just have to cope with the wave of the future...hybrids for everyone!

 

Hell, that's what I did! Driving the R52 today - not a lot of torque, but a whole lot of fun (and top-end HP pull)!

Progress for the sake of efficiency isn't what most of us are into. BMW used to be the ultimate driving machine, after all.

I should mention that our friends in the EU with 2013+ N18s are free of these restrictions!

 

No cause your JCW was an S/C model it appears and your N18 turbo totally different engines from a tuning and HP stand point. so I understand there.

And that is too bad. Just need to find a standalone option and get around emissions haha.

 

Err... perhaps you are unaware that I had a 2011 N18 CM A4S (the third in the US, in fact) tuned heavily by NM with all available mods. It was my older Pure Red that I traded for this 2013 JCW.

No matter, we're both on the same page with the emissions.

 

appears I did not haha. -_-

I was curious when you were comparing the two and then reading your sig

 

Yes, I can see how that would be a trip now. Here's old 'Red:

 

So the solution would be to somehow obtain a EU ECU and swap it out and
do the tuning then only pop the U.S. one back in for service and such.

 

I'm no expert but I would think swapping ECU's would be a pain...and very expensive. On top of that, having an ECU that was created for different emissions for another country would probably complicate things even more.

Idk, Theta's the man to speak to about that lol.

Theta: Yes! No MAFs for them!

I've been reading a lot over at the mini torque forum and they have some crazy R56s projects that have been successful....but even they're saying that if they can find/create a stand alone then the sky could be the limit.

 

No-go. The DMEs are not interchangeable, and are based off of VIN. No way, now how. Sad but true.

No MAFs is correct, as well!

The Vipec is as close as you'll come to a true external solution, but that's an extreme route to take (but has huge payoffs).

 

I certainly take your word for it (way smarter than me on these topics). So a little education please. If it's tied to the VIN: how does it know? I mean if all the "info" is in the ECU how would it know it's in another car? The 'not interchangeable' part...is that due to size, shape, connector or something else?

 

Well first, there's no way to have a DME coded except via ISIS, which will reject the chassis code of the US LHD with the EU firmware/flash.

It simply shows up as a Checksum Mismatch, and that's that. Other than that, they're essentially the same. It used to be possible with a GT1 to clone VINs and swap DMEs, etc. but it's way past that at this point.

 

Damn, how come as technology progresses it's not to our advantage.

I don't shoot the messenger...so thanks for the info Theta

 

Here is my dyno results for the ETG tune.
Was in 90 degree weather. So maybe 5 % more than my results in better weather conditions.

 

Theamc - remind me what you're driving and the mods. I can't see your graph too well on my phone but looks like you're in the 190's for both hp and tq? How does that compare to Jag's and your expectations?

 

2011 mini cooper S

Mods I have:
Akrapovic DP
JCW exhuast
NM Hotside tube
Helix FMIC
JCW intake
ETG Tune.

Horsepower wise i expected around the same. Maybe a bit higher. But then again in cooler temps, maybe it wouldve reached it.

Torque-wise i thought it would be a lot more since it was suppose to be 60+ more with FMIC.

I will talk to him to see if these are the expected numbers.