Very off topic, but yes -- many of us have. There is a current thread in the R60 section regarding this if you'd like to peruse it.

 

Do it! Rip it off!

I'm sending my car to the body shop Monday, so after probably next Thursday or Friday I'm going to finally out my muffler and tips on. If your gonna wait, I will make a video on my YouTube account or look up some.

Back to topic,
How come no dyno from Ry?!?!

 

Sorry for the delay on results. car did not blow up, runs perfect. Id like to just say that gains on dyno are rather weak. ETG is offering full support and with respect to them, Id like to wait until we can work it out before posting further.

 

Not going to say this in bad mouthing ETG, but I had a feeling it wouldn't be as good as they advertised it. I think I will wait for this MINI dynamics place anyways to see what they come out with.

 

What were your #'s?

 

Glad the car is in one piece

Just wish you'd post up your numbers. Would be good to see the deltas after they make the changes.

 

Remember that there is a break in period. I didnt feel the full tune until about 70 miles in. Im sure jags has told you.

 

I've done it. I live in CO and my county has really strict emissions requirements. Right now I have the OEM catted downpipe (buying the AR catted downpipe in the near future). From the downpipe I have a 3" custom exhaust with a Cherry Bomb Glasspack muffler. It passed the emissions tests with flying colors. Since MINIs are ultra low emmissions vehicles all you need is one cat.

 

i have the milltek DP back exhaust

it eliminates both the 2nd cat and resonator

no CELs, no problems

the mechanics at my dealer love the sound

it increased the torque below 3,000 rpm

scott

 

Post the numbers come on...

I am not at all surprised about this. Yes that was Gabe's thread on RMW along with the fact there is my thread on there as well.

Dont go flooding the RMW forum to go read what was written cause the sames things have been stated here about the issues and methods of tuning.

Lets see some numbers. Cant be that bad..

Also, when i was tuned on the dyno it didnt take no 70 miles for my car to realize it now was capable of 50+ more whp.

 

renn said the same ...

 

He told me to expect 32hp/25tq for about 102.7 miles or something like that he said and then after that it'll be 40hp/60tq especially since I live in 93/94 octane area. But if you have that **** poor 91 octane, expect 35hp/50tq or so he said.

 

Also since Smokey's dyno is the same thing in tuning wise with ETG, they said dyno stock, then tune the car and drive 100+ whatever the exact number is then dyno the car tuned.

Seems fishy but I'm gonna wait to see what MINI dynamics comes out with. By the end of April I will be done modding, so I don't see why the rush.

Ry, just post up the numbers or tell me if I was right about those numbers Jags told me about?

 

hmmm.

93 does yield slightly better performance
I have never heard of it taking that long for a tune to work
I say that cause cars are dyno tuned all the time gaining the results instantly not after 70 miles of driving.
I have heard of ECU adaptions but I find it hard to believe it takes 70 miles or so for the car to figure it out.
I dont think the Gen 1 and Gen 2 ECUs are extremely different outside of some encryption changes, etc so I would think as soon as the car is tuned it would make all the HP it wants too. It generally will request more boost, etc up front and scale back as needed not the opposite.

You are saying you people should see:

32BHP = ~25-7WHP
50BTQ = ~40WTQ

Hmm.

 

Jaremy, I really couldn't tell you why it takes so long, I'd be fine with 50 miles but I guess these guys who have his tune will find out sooner than later to see how legit the numbers are.

Any other ETG guys in here care to review their tune since y'all have it? I don't want to say anything I don't know.

 

I just want to see some numbers.. something not even ETG has provided, just claims on websites.

Two things I always recommend to anyone tuning any car.

1. Baseline dyno and tuned dyno
2. Baseline logs and tuned logs.

With those 2 things you will be able to tell exactly how your car is running and how well your car responded to the tune.

All I know is if someone did hit 30psi as claimed on the stock turbo after someones tune you can almost bet that turbo will come apart at some point. 30psi is way to much for a k03 and even the MCS MAP sensors to read.

 

Agreed, I was going to take the plunge at smokey's just so I had all the information from the dyno but now, if miraculously we have the second coming of Accessport, I'm gonna throw my money on that.

It's up to Ry at this point to get that information for us and himself so he doesn't think he wasted his money.

 

Wouldnt be the AP since Cobb dropped MINIs all together since sales didnt really meet what they wanted. You might get like the dimsport tuner that RMW was using.

I highly doubt the AP will ever make a come back in the MINI world, (THANK GOD.) Plus the AP tunes are extremely weak, unless you had cobb dyno tune it. Which i was quoted about $1500 for a dyno tuned AP. I took the better and more cost effective route.

 

You read my mind but I was just implying what their website said its the best tuning blah blah blah since the Accessport. But yeah if it's similar to RMW's tuning device, I'm hands down all over it.

I guess it's best to wait and see.

 

What would be awesome is that they do get the obd2 portion cracked and RMW could again offer the dimsport tuner for the R56 Gen2 and do remote dyno tuning. That would be awesome. I would love to see what a dyno tuned Gen2 R56 can do with the engine changes.

 

Man your gonna make me drool on my phone if you keep talking about it!

But 110% about everything you said! I don't see why the N18's can't produce slightly more power than the N14's. Can mid April come already please!!!

 

I remain skeptical. It seems odd that we're hearing about this from an unknown online retailer rather than a tuning company. I mean, it's the equivalent of MiniMania or OutMotoring suddenly developing the formula to OBDII tuning before the likes of NM, Alta, Helix, RMW, etc.

And if they are getting the technology from an established tuner (the site implies a German tuning company) why didn't that company try to sell its technology to either a higher profile retailer (e.g., OutMotoring or Mini Mania) or to one of the recognized manufacturers of performance parts (e.g., NM, Helix).

I mean, can you imagine NM cracking the mystery to OBDII tuning N18 Minis? It would be insane.

And I really don't get all the secrecy. Why be so vague? I get that you're not ready to make it available until you've finished testing, but why not tell us exactly what it is and who you're working with. For example:

"Mini Dynamics is excited to announce an upcoming product that will allow you to OBDII tune all current Mini models. Working with [insert name of German tuner], Mini Dynamics has developed a tuning tool that is OBDII compatible and will give you the same convenience and capabilities as the discontinued Cobb AccessPort. We are currently in our final stages of testing and will announce the product on April 15, 2013. Stay tuned!"

It also makes me skeptical that this mom and pop shop is testing the device on their own personal Minis. If they had the backing of a major German tuner, I would think they would have already tested the device on a couple dozen cars in Germany. Right?!?

I want to believe, but just can't shake the feeling this is too good to be true.

 

Glasspack???!???!? Whoa, 60/70's flashbacks!!!

 

i did post in the RMW forum hoping for Jan to be able to help me out with what i thought to be a boost issue with the ETG tune. i was pretty annoyed at the time and was looking for a new tune. but after speaking further with Jags, i now understand more about his tune and his company. i would explain, but i really dont have enough time right now. i actually suggest calling Jags and asking him to explain his tune and the way he does things over at ETG. not to mention, Jan isnt able to tune the N18 engine and responded saying that he isnt willing to touch my ECU after Jags has touched it in fear that i'll blame him for any damages to the ECU(??). Jags told me that if he were to flash the ECU back to the stock file, anyone could retune it. now dont get me wrong. i dont know TOO much about cars in general, but shouldn't a renowned and highly praised MINI tuner and "specialist: be able to tune the most up to date MINI ECU? am i out of my mind asking that??
give Jags a call and ask him anything. press him for any information you want and he'll explain it to you. Ive tried to get Jaremy to call and speak with him so that he could understand ETG's method and tune before bashing someone and their business online. but he refuses for some reason... for all i know i could be a complete idiot. like i said, im a noob. so someone else call and talk to Jags and lemme know what you think. or anyone else who has his tune for that matter.. but so far with the Alta FMIC i just had installed, the car and tune is running beautifully. actually feels like the tune is showing more power with the FMIC (jags was telling me all along that all i needed was an FMIC...he was right). everything feels smooth. no flat spots especially with the intercooler. Jags suggests NO DP WITH THE ETG TUNE. i have a DP and FMIC and so far ive had no overboost issues. im thinking about going back to stock DP. i DID just order a muffler delete pipe for fun. im hoping it doesnt mess with the tune in any way (keeping the stock one incase, instead of learning the hard way again). MAYBE one of the tricks to tuning the N18 engine IS in fact keeping the stock DP. who knows haha but like i said. JUST ASK JAGS.

-Gabe

 

Couple things:

(1) What downpipe do you have?

(2) What intercooler do you have?

(3) I thought the overboost issue stopped since you got the intercooler?

I can think of two guys on the forum--Solar10 and 1bigpea--who have and love the ETG tune. They both say the car pulls hard and strong with the tune. The big question mark for a lot of us is what the tune can do on a dyno.

A big fear I have is that ETG's tune does little if anything to improve power and just adjusts throttle mapping so the car feels faster and more responsive. It's just like the Sport button can make the car feel faster and more powerful, but you're really just messing with throttle sensitivity. Until someone shows a big gain on a dyno, there are going to be a lot of question marks.

Edit: I should add that I would be willing to chip a little in to a pool for someone with the ETG tune to get a few dyno runs to post for the rest of us. The absence of a pre-tune dyno is no big deal, IMO. If the car shows ~190 hp and ~210 tq. on the dyno, it would be an obvious benefit. (Math was off when I calc'd those the first time.)