Trust me when I say I really don't want to go on this trip. It takes about 30 hours from when I leave my house until I arrive at my hotel.

Even if the trip didn't come up it's the father in-laws 80th b-day party on the 28th so that would have come first.

I was at AMVIV last year so what are you referring to that I missed?.

Longboard

 

i was referring to myself, i posted all the data i had, and if i had any other info, this would have been posted too, but i don't. i must confess i wasn't aware of all the antagonism that exists between some of the british and US drivers, and that may explain why some british drivers haven't posted their dyno charts and why some US drivers haven't posted 0-60, 1/4 mile, 30-70 times despite being asked many many times...although it looks like this may change.
similarly "historic moment" was merey a tongue in cheek referral to going out and dynoing car's on a hub dyno in the UK with mini's for the first time....nothing more than that....as a pose to a historic whp reading, 205whp aint that!
so wasn't expecting comments like "*******" and "gandhi" (this is frankly racist and derogatory whether it was intended as such or not and why moderators on nam see fit to tolerate this is beyond me) from big howe....i don't know what experiences he has had with people across the pond that would make him rave like this.....
i've had my afr's checked at 1320 in view of the low afr's and fuelling was normal-i don't have data to post yet, in the interests of not having any bias, i'll be dynoing the car again at a neutral dyno (not 1320) on feb 28th to recheck power/fuelling and after a few more mods.
i'm not too bothered about ego, and whether my power readouts are lower then those the otherside of the pond or not.....i'll do the best i can with my car end of.....and am happy to take advice.

 

Oh, I was talking about just doing the timed run with the speedo. I would love to have a racelogic though

 

1:28..... still the fastest Mini ever without a Pro driver

 

I wasn't talking about your lack of info just the others that made such a big deal of how much hp their cars were making. I think they are scared to post the graph.

 

We know that dyno graphs dont really matter, its time slips that matters, thats why we're at the Pod this weekend going up against other car forums because we can.

Its not like you post every graph off every car is it Jan? Averages are always lower than peaks.

 

Strange.... so much banter about how you were going to show those yanks........ using a dynapack....

now it's blah blah blah..........

I'm more interested in the shape of the graph....

I know why you won't post it......

 

Go on then why wont I post it

 

Moderators probably tolerate it just like the personal attacks by BigShow touting chocolate box carrying tards and genetically inferior people. Gee, nothing wrong with that, especially if someone has a disabled child. I'm not sure what kind of experiences you have with folks over here either. This can get very carried away or we can just leave it. Ball is in your court..........

Seems a bit carried away to characterize the US and UK public as a whole based on internet forum banter.

P.S. My British friends and I stand by the ****** comment

 

Was this not in your 2.0l stroker car? Im sure i seen the vid on youtube.
Obviously its going to be a lot quicker than any 1.6 car. I may have got confused however, was it a 1.6??

No-one is disputing what you do, otherwise none of these guys would have your cylinder head.

All i know is if i knew my car was as fast as it is, id be PROVING everyone wrong, by posting some data that wasnt on a dyno (and the 2.0l stroker dont really count,as no one else has that engine this side of the pond), so in my eyes that makes your time at SOW null and void.

Big Howe: We had something at school called "the debate club" it basically taught us how to have a debate while still being civil, guess you never had anything like this?

 

As a U.S. born Tosser I am mildly offended by the lack of people being called tossers.


on a side note both of our '05 Minis speedos run exactly 2mph under both gps and radar speed measurements. I don't trust the Mini speedo until I know how off it is.

 

thing is: I have 5 track days, just think how fast a pro driver would have gone in my car? I know my car is faster, I don't need to take it to a drag strip to find out.... ROFLMAO In fact the fastest lap recorded there was a GP I did for Sean Patrick Flanery who ran 1:26 with my head on a 1.6L


With all of that British F-1 engineering over there I'm shocked you don't have a stroker. Heck Webster has engines lying all over the place you would think he would have whipped one up by now.

 

Stock piling them for when the $1000 2,0 kit comes out

 

All we want is a fair comparison, as you said a pro driver could go faster round SOW than you - this means the driver affects the time. Dynos are never going to read the same no matter what we do. Now unless anyone can think of anything better, the only fair comparison i can see, is acceleration tests. Where the driver only creates a small percentage of error.

If for whatever reason you do not want to, fair enough, thats your choice. As someone who produces such good parts, i just cannot see why you wouldnt though?

And i dont direct this at just you Jan. I cant understand why everyone does not do it? Completely stock, Rmw parts, whoevers parts. It would give us good comparisons not just between the UK and US, but with everyone else in the world, or between a guy on the west coast and on the east coast.

I admit i have not posted any yet but i will as soon as my car is finished

 

That was also with the stock ECU map

 

Like I said earlier, we'd do this, but our speedo is off, so how is this any more accurate

 

the problem is you won't get a fair comparison
Here is why:
you have people running different gear boxes, different tires, different wheels
gutted cars......4/5ths empty tanks of gas and the list goes on and on and on......... try putting on 15" wheels like Paul has run on your car, then put on 18s and do the same..... get back to me when you are done

 

No, I had tuned it before he went to the track

 

My 15 inch slicks are 25 x 9 -15

13.09 @ 104.5

With NOS

11.77 at 116 with small pill

 

You could also do it by rpm as well, there's load of mph calculators about on the net that can work out what rpm you would be doing at 30 and 70 with a specific height of tire and overall 3rd gear ratio

 

Yes, but by "debating" you would be implying and assuming certain ground rules and logical arguments, both of which were abandoned long ago by the folks here much to the degradation of this site. It's impossible to engage the illogical in a logical argument. There's nothing going on in here but sh*t slinging.

So, to the slinging at hand, here is the history as I see it.

1) We post dyno sheets to which Paul and crew call BS.

2) Paul insists drag times be published to backup said dyno numbers.

3) No one entertains Paul beginning the downward spiral and slinging.

4) Paul claims he is making more power with RMW parts than RMW based on his "calculations".

5) We call BS, still no one gives Paul drag times, so Paul goes to a DynaPak to compare his numbers with us across the pond and falls short.

6) Now the attacks and BS intensify to where we are today.

There have been many minor scuffles surrounding these core points and many things that have happened behind the scenes that many folks here may or may not know. There you have it.

So when does the debate start?

 

Really? Honestly? Come on! Who gives a *****!?

Here are what your concerns should be:
(by You I mean anyone with a car)
1. Do YOU like it?
2. see #1

If you are in the business of making and selling parts
Your concerns should be as follows:
1. Does it work
2. Are people happy with it?
3. Do they send friends?

Things nobody should be seriously concerned with because they are ALL too subjective to be considered anything more than marketing BS.
1. Dyno charts
2. Drag slips
3. Lap times
4. What someone else says about your car/part/product/*****. Did they pay for it? No? Then ***** 'em.

Ok some people don't want to use RMW fine. Nobody really cares (except Jan). RMW is the target, that's what any successful business is. Ok, sometimes Jan talks too much ish instead of rising above and not falling for trash talking bait, he's human. His minions (satisfied customers and friends) defend his product. Why? They like it and they Like Jan. (Yeah its annoying because if someone mentions anything even remotely unshining about rmw they pounce like a pack of rabid dogs but whatever). You don't like his stuff fine make something better. If you do, become a vendor and sell it. If that happens don't fall for the trash talking next guy.

***** can we just ban or better yet voluntarily stop these stupid *** rmw vs. my **** threads please? It's f*cking old.

 

ROFLMFAO...Dude I have tears streaming from my eyes

 

fair sum up til point 5....
thats why i posted hood down dyno? and asked if we are doing it right
otherwise not a fair comparison,
i know jans set up has more horses,
just cant count them as i havent yet found a comparable base line

 

Lets play spot the difference