Just to try and put things in perspective... To take a 1.6 liter 170 HP motor to somewhere approaching 300 HP with a head,cam,header,pulley and a tune would be like taking a 400 HP M3 motor to somewhere near 700 HP.... What would that cost? Not trying to be a fanboy but what Jan's doing is pretty damn good for the bucks and I'd welcome anyone to beat it. Hey competition is good for all of us!

 

Great example of true perspective

 

For all of the ranting from your soapboxes about sharing and transparency, any chance of getting SAE corrected printouts and posting all of the dynos from the day? Seems you'd be following your own mantra.

I've posted my dynos, even when it showed a power drop over previous runs, much to the chagrin of Paul and his crew. You fellas willing to put your money where your mouth is?

 

Look at my sig. All RMW except for the Rotrex SC and 300whp (on pump gas) and this is the best part, over 225ftlbs. Yes it does cost money but it also proves the 300whp with a SC is possible. Not only possible but completely reliable and street-able.

Push the limits and don't believe everything you here and you come up with something amazing.

Longboard

 

What about some before and after dynos showing the delta's of the 1320 tunes?

Longboard

 

I'll gladly post more of them when you guys do some acceleration tests, or why dont you all have a dyno day like we did on a differnt dyno and see what you've got now.

I'll have a word with Hubie and see if we can arrange a RMW dyno head day,
I'll put $200 for the best overall performance on the day.

 

atta boy Paul....

dodge and divert....

quite a nice strategy

btw.... send my extra header back that I sent over for Alski that I was nice enough to send without any payment for it

 

No doging we just go out there and prove it or not, so its now you and your customers turn, anyway it be nice for you to give something back to your customers and its always a good social event.

So how much prize money are you going to put up?

Re the Street header, you need to speak to your customer about that one

 

Then guess everything you say is complete BS. So much for sharing with the community there Gandhi.

All I ever said or claimed was the dyno plot I posted. You guys went nuts with the acceleration runs, "we're making more power in the UK" "you don't know what you're talking about". This has always been about you one upping everyone in the States and playing coy at the same time. Well, you've made your bed on this one, you'll have to lie in it now.

The best part is, you won't even post the data that we WILL post.

Not only have you dropped below the minor leagues, your playing in the rec league now Paul.

 

genuine question so dont bite my head off please.
Why wont you post your performance data?

 

This is like groundhog day...!

What is the difference between hub horsepower and wheel horsepower? And how is this calculated?

 

Have a look on Mini Torque, he seems to have it up for sale as it is too loud!!!

 

I love this useless my **** is bigger kind of thread. Especially when the guys waving their ***** are holding them in different positions and talking about different aspects of size.


Can someone explain to me why we are all looking at dyno charts that say flywheel torque and flywheel hp and calling it actual wheel (or hub) tq/hp?

Do the dynapak dyno charts always show a corrected flywheel reading based off actual wheel and then display the higher flywheel numbers by default or is this just someone holding their **** further down? I mean a chart that shows 247flywheel hp with the generally accepted 13% driveline loss figured back in would actually only be a 214whp car.

I am only familiar with dynojet dynos and winpep7 software so please enlighten me if this is just some display error on the dyno.

 

^^ Quote of the year!

Have a word!... We've posted dyno data good or bad on every dyno we've been on... track times good or bad of every track we've been on... acceleration figures good or bad whenever we've done them... 1/4 mile times good or bad whenever we've run them...

Correct me if I'm wrong by posting some links to your previous posts BH, but so far you've posted some dyno graphs and some info on intake temps... kudos to you but what improvements have those extra bhp given you???

When you went from 240 hub hp to near 260 hub hp for example... how did that affect your cars acceleration...? 0.5 seconds off your 30-70 mph time perhaps?? 2 seconds less round your favourite track?? 2/10ths off your quarter mile time??

We've never said we're better than you guys, or that our cars are more powerful...in fact all we've asked is "how does your power translate to the road..." because we like to let our cars run further than the 4 walls of a dyno... in fact after yesterdays dyno and seeing as the drag strip was closed due to the weather, we decided to do some on road testing with the vBox today against a MINI owner who also has an M3 CSL in the garage... best results of the day:

30-70 mph

M3 CSL: 4.1 seconds
MCS: 4.3 seconds

So please, pretty please, step away from the computer, take your dyno graph off the mantlepiece, pick up your keys and get out there and find out what 260 hub hp can really do... all we ask is you come back and tell us all about it... 30-70 to beat, 3.8 seconds... here's some inspiration

 

delete

 

Dyanpak software always says Flywheel when what it is measuring is hub. Dynapak has never updated the software for this so.....
No correction factors for driveline loss or anything else. Basically an engine dyno going through the transmission.

 

So let me ask this: why is this a "Historic Dyno Moment"? Is this to highlight a "hot" factory engine and the optimistically lean AFR's that indeed made great power but would grenade the engine on the track?

 

No, it's because us Brits have finally put our cars on the DynaPack hub dyno preferred in the US in the hope that our American cousins will finally publish some 30-70/quarter mile/60-130 mph acceleration figures.

 

Doesnt have to be a drag strip as posted above I had the V box in mine Fri night and in 3rd got a 30-70 off 5.5, not brillant thats for sure. I can only go to 69.6 in 2nd

It seem that a lot off people care about dyno numbers but really you cant compare Churches number to texas numbers to Thor (UK) numbers.

Where as what we do every day whether it a quick blast from 30 -100 or 2000-7000 in 3rd has it merits, also it gives you a baseline which you can check on occasions, we do get a lot of people who come in and get use to not having the power they had.

As you can see we're a bunch of petrol heads who like meeting up and abusing our cars and having loads off banter and on that note;
Jove will be able to read my time when I cross the finish line next weekend

 

I know what my car can do, I run it against subies, Vettes, and the like all day long. I keep saying, the only drag race that matters is the one next to you. I don't have to go out and make youtube videos of myself to make me feel better. I'd be laughing too hard to even run you if you turned like you were Woody Allen with a camera in the car. Get a life.
I have nothing to prove to a bunch of ******* from the UK that are butt hurt they can't make as much power, as we've just seen. Play with your stopwatches, video cameras, and keep gutting your cars with tinker toy tires to get that tenth on a stop watch. Performance isn't measured with a video camera, it's who gets to the corner first.

 

Oh so you like drag racing too... So what does yours run on the 1/4 mile when you've got a Subie or Vette next to you?

Wow and you're a track guy as well, cool... so what times do you get on what track?

 

If its that quick you must have loads of data to share, but obviously it cant be so I think you should change your user name to Slow Howe

 

I still don't see how 1320 numbers tell a cars hp number. Take the same car with 3 or 4 driver's and the numbers would be all over the place.
Is the V-box made in the UK?

 

Was it a 79 235hp Vette you were racing, they run mid 16s on a good day and sound like a Pontiac 455

 

http://www.racelogic.co.uk/?show=VBOX