Drivetrain Historic dyno moment 24.1.09
Haven't you, didn't see it with my own eyes but Jan did 
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...m-and-ecu.html
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...m-and-ecu.html
looks like dyno dynamics..... just like D-mans.... the ones that read "low"
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The other is we dont race dynos we race cars in the other lane, why haven't Danny, Kelly or bighowe shared with the community what these high horsepower cars do acceleration wise??
We know that that Mini Morgan shared his 30-70 in 3rd Et's with us on Mini Torque the other day using the same datatlogger as big howe.
I would of thought Longboard would of done the same espically as is breaking new ground with the Rotrex.
With the V-Box only £329 and the dollar at 1.38 to the £ it makes perfect sense to have one even if its between 4 of you who live locally to each other.
Maybe Gnaster can log some time as he has one to improve his track times very succesfully I might add.
We know that that Mini Morgan shared his 30-70 in 3rd Et's with us on Mini Torque the other day using the same datatlogger as big howe.
I would of thought Longboard would of done the same espically as is breaking new ground with the Rotrex.
With the V-Box only £329 and the dollar at 1.38 to the £ it makes perfect sense to have one even if its between 4 of you who live locally to each other.
Maybe Gnaster can log some time as he has one to improve his track times very succesfully I might add.
You got your ***** handed to you and there's no talking your way out of this one. I would have expected at least a 250 out of you, but damn.
Oh, and for the last time, the only drag race that matters is the one lined up next to you.
I was told by David Newman that they are the same....
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Whose grinding them for you now?
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Well Paul, I thought this was all about "We're making more power than RMW with RMW parts" "We've got a tuner that's been doing this 8 years" blah blah blah. Lots of big talk the last 6 months.
You got your ***** handed to you and there's no talking your way out of this one. I would have expected at least a 250 out of you, but damn.
Oh, and for the last time, the only drag race that matters is the one lined up next to you.
You got your ***** handed to you and there's no talking your way out of this one. I would have expected at least a 250 out of you, but damn.
Oh, and for the last time, the only drag race that matters is the one lined up next to you.
But hey I'm not like that, I haven't attended one dyno yet where I haven't been disappointed
By the way I know of a car that went from 231 to 193 on a different dyno and its in the same state
but i better it still runs the same 1/4 mile time
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If Jove can go 13.2 at 105.8 with 231 hub horsepower then what can yours Danny's Kelly's Jan do?
Can the Innovate data logger measure 1320ft? mind you you do have traction problems dont you bighowe..............
Can the Innovate data logger measure 1320ft? mind you you do have traction problems dont you bighowe..............
I've always said we were faster, if we found a high reading dyno (I do know where there is one in the UK) then in theory I could show you a sheet with more power if I wanted too.
But hey I'm not like that, I haven't attended one dyno yet where I haven't been disappointed
By the way I know of a car that went from 231 to 193 on a different dyno and its in the same state but i better it still runs the same 1/4 mile time
But hey I'm not like that, I haven't attended one dyno yet where I haven't been disappointed
By the way I know of a car that went from 231 to 193 on a different dyno and its in the same state
but i better it still runs the same 1/4 mile time the fact of the matter is this..... the other cars are showing normal numbers for the mods, even if slightly high............ yet all of the cars with heads underperformed with the tune...........some would wonder why don't you think?
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For all the postering and BS, the biggest, baddest car you could put together barely made 30hp more than a STOCK head, STOCK tune, STOCK injector car. 30HP. WOW
The truly sad part about this is most of the chaps over there really believe what you've been pushing and and have bought into it. Well, the numbers speak for themselves. 30HP, nothing to do with high reading dynos, no excuses, 30HP. You're going to have to spin this one real hard, but I'm sure you'll get by.
The truly sad part about this is most of the chaps over there really believe what you've been pushing and and have bought into it. Well, the numbers speak for themselves. 30HP, nothing to do with high reading dynos, no excuses, 30HP. You're going to have to spin this one real hard, but I'm sure you'll get by.
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For all the postering and BS, the biggest, baddest car you could put together barely made 30hp more than a STOCK head, STOCK tune, STOCK injector car. 30HP. WOW
The truly sad part about this is most of the chaps over there really believe what you've been pushing and and have bought into it. Well, the numbers speak for themselves. 30HP, nothing to do with high reading dynos, no excuses, 30HP. You're going to have to spin this one real hard, but I'm sure you'll get by.
The truly sad part about this is most of the chaps over there really believe what you've been pushing and and have bought into it. Well, the numbers speak for themselves. 30HP, nothing to do with high reading dynos, no excuses, 30HP. You're going to have to spin this one real hard, but I'm sure you'll get by.
I thought I said this before, that Sayanthan's had a flash (not a custome tune) off what Chris though it needed, so it isn't a stock ECU.
Sayanthan didn't know that when he was telling whoever was filling in the list at the time.
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Whatever Paul, you can start re-evaluating, spinning, updating info, it doesn't matter. Keep throwing the dragstrip in there too. This was all about you showing everyone up with Dynapak numbers. If the dragstrip is all that matters, why make such the effort to take all those cars up to a Dynapak? You really thought your stuff was that good and it fell flat on its face. That's alright, we knew all along that this was going to happen. The funny part is, you proved it yourself to the rest of the world, not anyone else.
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So are you say I'm lying? the last thing I do is lie / BS
But the rest of the world must wonder why you dont share the acceleartion data which you have of your car, I mean you must have so many logs to look at and pick the best and worst with and without meth
But the rest of the world must wonder why you dont share the acceleartion data which you have of your car, I mean you must have so many logs to look at and pick the best and worst with and without meth
So finally we get back to the tune.
The more tunes you guys do Paul the better you will get. Don't worry. Those numbers are good .
Like Jan said, A lot of money, time, trial and error has gone into the RMW power system. Add all those parts together and top it with a great tune and what you end up with is an awesome little Mini.
You guys are just a little behind is all. Give it some time
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The more tunes you guys do Paul the better you will get. Don't worry. Those numbers are good
.Like Jan said, A lot of money, time, trial and error has gone into the RMW power system. Add all those parts together and top it with a great tune and what you end up with is an awesome little Mini.
You guys are just a little behind is all. Give it some time
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You can wonder all you want about my acceleration numbers, but what does it have to do with the UK Dynapak day? Again, I thought you wanted to compare your numbers to the vast amount of Dynapak data from across the US? I can understand why you would like to change the subject, but hearing you, Jove, Bigshow and the rest of your crew talk trash for however long about your superior power/tuning/knowledge, and to see this happen.........
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I'm guessing you would be in the 4s 30-70 Big Howe.
WHta you have to remember is we will go forward, Jove's car has always been a problem child from day one, he knows that and we been making do with what we have as I have no spare ecu's over here as they all ended up with Jay at Mynes to speed up the stand alone ecu development.
As I rather move forward than stand still, we do seem to have problems with the UK spec JCW ecu as Jan will tell you there different from the USA ones.
We will see over the coming weeks where we can end up, its one thing for sure it'll be faster than we were whether its in a straight line or round a road course over here and as alwyas we'll share this info with the community.
WHta you have to remember is we will go forward, Jove's car has always been a problem child from day one, he knows that and we been making do with what we have as I have no spare ecu's over here as they all ended up with Jay at Mynes to speed up the stand alone ecu development.
As I rather move forward than stand still, we do seem to have problems with the UK spec JCW ecu as Jan will tell you there different from the USA ones.
We will see over the coming weeks where we can end up, its one thing for sure it'll be faster than we were whether its in a straight line or round a road course over here and as alwyas we'll share this info with the community.
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The first 150 cams to come out off the grinders were one and the same, not so sure now but someone on mini torque asked David this week and he said they were still the same, here's the quote;
I've spoken to David Newman and the Mini Cam is the same regardless of where it comes from... He said that there are no specials done for a particular company... they are all the same... As many have proved, it returns excellent results...
I've spoken to David Newman and the Mini Cam is the same regardless of where it comes from... He said that there are no specials done for a particular company... they are all the same... As many have proved, it returns excellent results...
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this was a great exercise in proving exactly what I have been saying over and over...........Our full kits are matched to give you the most performance possible
There is NO ONE IN THE WORLD REMOTELY CLOSE TO WHAT WE CAN DO with the M45
Bad tunes and improper parts matched with our head degrade the effectiveness of it. Our headers outperform them in area under the curve and peak. We have spent countless hrs developing them. Just because people can't tune our parts correctly doesn't mean they don't make that big power. We have shown it around the country. Imagine how hard it will be for you to make these last 50whp
Looks like Danny's car had more tq from 2800 to 8,000 rpms than the 1320 car had at it's PEAK
For those that have problems with math..... that's MORE peak tq for 5200rpms
RMW FTW.........................
There is NO ONE IN THE WORLD REMOTELY CLOSE TO WHAT WE CAN DO with the M45
Bad tunes and improper parts matched with our head degrade the effectiveness of it. Our headers outperform them in area under the curve and peak. We have spent countless hrs developing them. Just because people can't tune our parts correctly doesn't mean they don't make that big power. We have shown it around the country. Imagine how hard it will be for you to make these last 50whp
Looks like Danny's car had more tq from 2800 to 8,000 rpms than the 1320 car had at it's PEAK
For those that have problems with math..... that's MORE peak tq for 5200rpms
RMW FTW.........................
Nice numbers Jan
but as D Man has asked on MT was it on Cali pump gas or Race Gas out of a keg or pump?My question would be, how much are the high compression forged pistons worth ln trq across the rpm range
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speaking as a neutral, seeing all these figures flying around, i just don't know what's real and what's not, maybe you guys stateside are getting more power, and if you are - credit where credit's due, but until you see a couple of us cars and uk cars go on the same dyno in the same location, i guess you'll never know for sure.....and these debates will continue....
i thought the UK and US were supposed to get along....what's with all the aggro? this is supposed to be about open sharing of info with transparency and some thoughts, suggestions and ideas....
I may do a US road trip next summer with my cooper s once it's fully sorted, may dyno it a few times along the way....
The first 150 cams to come out off the grinders were one and the same, not so sure now but someone on mini torque asked David this week and he said they were still the same, here's the quote;
I've spoken to David Newman and the Mini Cam is the same regardless of where it comes from... He said that there are no specials done for a particular company... they are all the same... As many have proved, it returns excellent results...
I've spoken to David Newman and the Mini Cam is the same regardless of where it comes from... He said that there are no specials done for a particular company... they are all the same... As many have proved, it returns excellent results...
ROFLMAO............maybe he should have talked to Ken Newman as he was the one who made the cams for me
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Forgive my ignorance here Jan, but I wasn't aware of those different grinds for different app!! Does that mean you have on cam for let's say stock head and stock header, one for RMW head and header etc..? Can you clarify this for all of us please. This leaves me confused, let alone Paul Webster's statement
Forgive my ignorance here Jan, but I wasn't aware of those different grinds for different app!! Does that mean you have on cam for let's say stock head and stock header, one for RMW head and header etc..? Can you clarify this for all of us please. This leaves me confused, let alone Paul Webster's statement
these cams have been on specialty projects and race cars
Real race cars