you need to read what i said - was not characterising uk and us drivers as a whole but referring specifically to comments made on this forum unless NAM= world - now that would be getting carried away....the "gandhi" comment is racist. and the "******" comment...lets just say some people have no class. end of. i'lll be posting no more replys to any more comments you have to make as i have better things to do with my time than get drawn into ******** with you.

 

That is the biggest load of Bollocks I've ever heard!!

 

I only put down 197.6whp with a stock head on a dyno dynamics

 

Dynos are good for a lot of things, tuning etc, showing your mates. I agree with that. But they are not good for comparing different cars (unless we are talking about cars done on the same dyno).

I think the point that is trying to be made is, anytime anyone from the UK or anyone from the rest of the world posted up data, it is rubbished by the RMW cult. Jan makes awesome parts. But what happens on here is, if its not RMW parts, it must be utter rubbish?

Dyno graphs are no use here!

As for the "my speedo is not calibrated correctly"

When we 1st started doing these tests, (loads of data on mini2 i think) it was done by eye, and your friend holding a stop watch. If you do a number of runs, an average can be taken, gets pretty accurate. Then you post your results with,
"I had a full tank of fuel, on 16" wheels, with x tyres. My friend was in the passenger seat too, list of mods"

If it turns out to be completely useless, then its good fun anyway

 

Love those dyno video's... we'll just have to wait till we can get our own hurricane force fans and pop back up to the dynapack to see what 'power' we can make then because with only 238 at the wheels with the bonnet shut, 2 short of BigHowe without meth, I wonder what we'll get then with one strapped to the I/C... all we need to figure out then is how we can keep it strapped to the car for road use so it replicates what we see there.

P.S BigHowe... I'm not offended by what you say. I'm just glad that you're stringing words into sentences now. I am a ******, I know it, everybody else knows it... If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive. Get some acceleration figures done and end this argument!

 

and longboard put down 231whp on a stock tune on a dyno dynamics

it's all about the calibration and how you strap them down but you know this

 

just figured it out, being left hand drive, is what makes the big power

you would have thought a guy who sends thousands of dollars of tuning parts to the uk, would like his customers to get some good results over the pond......
but it would appear sadly this is not the case,
i am sure there is some good business reason for this,

just that i must be too stupid to work it out

 

My point made in spades. For a couple of guys who say dynos don't matter, You sure are eager to quote dyno numbers and better yet, get some big fans and go back and do some more runs to show us yanks. You don't have to be ignorant like me to see the massive hypocrisy in the actions of some.

P.S. Don't for get the SAE correction, you guys are more than a few hp down from what you posted. And you call me ignorant.

 

yeah that one isn't calibrated to read high

 

serious hypocrisy..... you see Dman posting his dyno and the gang all back slaps each other and it's right on mate..... good on ya.... and the car stops making power @ 6k rpms. I posted a dyno sheet from Florida on an 80degree F day showing a car on a dynojet that made 206 ft lbs of torque on a low reading dyno and I get why not SAE? The highest torque number they had ever seen on a Mini before this stroker was 155ft lbs and 213whp. This was a stage 4 Madness kit

 

thanks again for making my point


his car with ALL of the mods only made 180whp before just the head

 

not me mate,

think i agreed with 5 out of 6 points from your last post
thats more backing in percentages than your new president...

i am after enlightenment not abuse

 

It wasn't directed at you, abuse wasn't intended.

I'll share few things in the interest of transparency and sharing with the community Putting a standard SAE correction on the numbers that have been posted, you are 3% high, so the 238 becomes a 231 and so on down the line. Torque drops too.
Here's a bonus one for everyone. Those carpet fans don't provide half the cooling of just running down the road at moderate speed, all they do is stave off heatsoak. But you guys would know this having logged real IAT's on both the dyno and the road and looked at all the data.

 

Why not give the community something useful like a 0-60, 30-70? Or dare I ask.. 1/4mile time?

 

whats the story with the 205hp on this one then?

 

Sorry I was on about the one that Kelli was on wasn't calibrated to read high, obviously the one Longboard was on was calibrated high like the one we were on

But as Batrugger pointed out it doesn't feel any different from Shawns to this one even though there is a difference of 22.47%.

There's another dyno which in Cali which saw the same percentage as well.

Its just how a dyno reads, but if you're there as a group of 20 its the same delta for everyone as long as every car is dyno'd to get the best out off it, If they would off cooled Kellis car off a buit more she would off got 4th out of 25 which is still top job

But what number is real is another story again its just the numbers game

 

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=649023


Intresting read above as well for those not familar with dynapacks, wish we had found it before Sat but at least we'll know next time.

Whats scary is that someone could come on here saying they have the most powerful M45 but unless you can see the sidebar you cant tell if there lying or not.

 

stepping back from MINI ownership for a few months, then seeing a thread like this...it is a perfect example how the infighting and pissing matches in the MINI community only serve to debilitate it. It certainly is a niche market and one would think having an ocean in between would be enough to limit the BS that goes back and forth.

Sad truth is, there is no top dawg for tuning and parts. Only grandstanding from people who would be better served by less self-promotion and more R&D.

 

So the truth rears it's ugly head again. So what you are really doing is calling Shawn Church a liar again? Or is there something lost in translation that I don't understand Paul? Shawn or his employees setup the dynos for each run. No one touches the units but them. Would you care to clarify?

Not that this really means anything as you won't even show the graphs, let alone the sidebar or SAE correction.

 

Not at all big howe I've never ever ever called Shawn a liar.

What I was saying is when the new kid comes on the block on NAM with his stage 10 head and puts up a dyno post showing more hub hp than yours / danny's / kelli's he might be fudging the figures, I for one didn't know you could add transmission losses in as a %.

Also as I've learned something new I like to share it with the community so when they go to there local dynapack they can ask the right questions.

Simple as, I cant wait to get out to Cali on a business trip so I can go and hang out at Shawns (If he lets me) shop for the day watching those dynos working flat out.

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XCc-cPV_mIk

Also you know Shawn has his **** togeather when he tunes cars like these to acheive that natually aspirated and on Toyo 888

 

Paul, that post is not entirely accurate. If you look at the normal presentation screens which show power, torque, speed, etc. they have a spot for TCF. That stands for transmission correction factor. As long as that value shows 1.0, no fudge factors were used. THat's why we always publish those graphs rather than the comparison screens shown in the post you linked.

 

Ah right, so if there was say a 15% added to it it will show 1.15 then? thanks for clearing that up.

If I remember rightly Lucky Dog used to publish those screen shots with all the bits down the side, I think ? I know I've seen them somewhere.

 

OMG I dont believe that no one in the last 4 months had spotted the TCF saying 1.05

But then again I suppose none of us knew what it meant, I had worked out the mph rpm relation was wrong

So now corrected its about about 244 hub horsepower at 7000

Well my Dad always said you learn something new everyday


My apologies to Batrugger and Kelli for bringing this up, but I had already told Batugger on another forum that I had Kelli dyno sheet all day last Sat for comparisons on the day, also how nice it was off them to share with the community what was wrong with there car.

 

Don't know why that one is on there. Kelli's files all show a 1.0 on what I've checked. I don't doubt that it is on there though, I just don't know why. Nonetheless, it is clear to see and is not on any other plots.

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