I'm sorry if I offended you. I was just pointing out inconsistencies for the good of the community. It's all about sharing man.

 

I once had a girlfriend who had long legs like that

 

Very well put Kelli! You can have all the horsepower in the world but if you don't know how to use it, it's useless.

 

Welcome to the Drivetrain section of NAM Kelli, whatever anyone says just rember that red Mini's are the fastest Mini's period .

Have a fast and safe one next weekend

 

Check his sig Big Howe, we all want Jaw_F430 engine

Not bad for a fully option Mini weighing in at 2850lbs

The mph backs up the horsepower

 

I can only speak for myself but, I'll be posting up my graphs etc when I get to the end of the R&D.

I've and Jan will confirm this, always disagreed with him about posting something in semi finished mode.

Its fun reading about it bust some of them drag on and on and loose there importance, becuase there's pages and pages off drivel.

 

Thanks, but no. Honestly, I wouldn't trade my engine for anyone else's at this point. I've ridden in many other MINI's, I know what I've got.

 

Shawn, I'm wondering now if this is actually Kelli's dyno at all because of the 1.05 and the weird tyre size put int o get the weird mph..........

But it is showing a Mini gear ratio...........

What were the other dyno results on that day?

 

It doesn't matter what counts, dyno sheets or timeslips because I have both You know what the funny thing is though? They both tell me I have a fast car


P.S I haven't changed my tune, I have not posted here that dynos don't matter or that they do

 

That is the biggest crock I have heard on this post yet. So the WTF are you getting at now. Now you want to question mine and Kelli's integrity since we were the the one's who originally posted it. How about just come out and call me a liar straight out. That is the sheet that was printed and handed to me when the car was dyno'd and tuned at Church and it wasn't Jan that handed it to me . I gave you all of the info to figure this out for yourself Paul and I thought you would be smart enough to get it. Since you are choosing to not share the rest of the story, I will spell it out for everyone else. The dyno results from the SoCalEuro thread show the same variable of 28% when you compare the three cars that were dyno' at Church. The MINI numbers are shown here: http://socaleuro.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=175

Kelli's: 207.8 (That video was not the best run)

Melissa's: 161.9

My Jetta: 185.1 Shown Here: http://socaleuro.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=238

If you add 28% to these results they will be within a couple of horsepower of the Church dynos

Here are the Church dyno's and please note that the TCF on mine and Melissa's does in fact say 1

Melissa's:



My Jetta:



Kelli's:



In all actuality I think this may settle the weird TCF number on Kell's dyno sheet and mitigate the need for a retest as well.

 

I must profess I'm a bit lost now but comparing the above dyno's that were done on the same day:

Melissa

Ratio: 4.160
TCF: 1.0

Kelli

Ratio: 4.400
TCF: 1.05

So how exactly will the different ratio's and TCF's change the results?

The DynaPack over last sat was set to Ratio: 4.400 and TCF: 1.00.

 

Melissa's is an 06, Kelli's is an 02. They have different gear boxes. Read the above post again. You have three cars dyno'd at Church and then the same three cars dyno'd again at a different dyno, therefore you have three constants to compare to. The lower numbers all show a consistent 28% difference from the higher numbers, so what you have is verifiable results

 

can someone explain what exactly is the point being argued please? I understand the tcf drama but what's at stake here? highest hp from a stock head? highest hp from stock tune? longest pee distance downwind?

 

Different cars have different ratios (gear x final drive). Most Minis have the 4.4 total ratio in 4th gear. Getting the gear ratio wrong won't change the hp curve one bit. However, it will alter the flywheel/axle torque curve since that is calculated from measured axle torque/divided by gear ratio.

THe TCF is a transmission correction factor. It is used to try and correct for driveline losses. But we don't use it. That's why I want to redyno Kelli's car. If the TCF was 1.05 for her runs, rerunning them with the proper 1.0 will lower her results by 5% across the board. If it wasn't 1.05, then the results won't change. As batrugger showed, all the other runs were 1.0

SC

 

Well Dan I usually don't get too excited about this stuff, but Kelli's car got dragged into it and now they are insinuating that I am full of s%it on a public forum.

 

They insinuate everyone is full of sh*t, what else is new? Hence the reason these threads get drug down to pissing matches.

 

Yeah I guess that is what it is about

 

They both have the same date on the graphs

 

My mistake you are correct I was thinking that my Jetta and Melissa's were the same day. Edited the above post

 

Sorry Batrugger but I was writing out aloud if we were all in the same room togeather and trying to think of the weirdest situation what could of happen.

Shawn had said that he looked through your runs and they all say 1.00, so why did it print out 1.05?

So I thought as the mph and the rpm doesn't match your Mini unless it had 25+ tall inch tyres on what if the files got corrupted with another file, not sure if thats the right phrase, thus having the 1.05 and the odd tyre / rpm relation.

Something like this will proberly drive Shawn potty trying figure it out what when wrong, but it doesn't really matter does it........

 

I may be wrong, but I think the point being argued is a lot of the guys in the US have good WHP number, so over in the UK we have bought the same parts to get similar numbers. The results are that over here (UK) we seem to have 20-30WHP less than you guys in the US. We are all a bit

Jan has sent over two shorty headers and a race header but still the cars they were put on still don't make the power expected (cars already have the main parts: RMW head,camshaft,440cc injectors and tune etc).

This is why a few guys from over here have been asking the big hitters in the US to do either a 1/4 mile sprint,30-70,60-130 etc as the is real world testing.

The big hitters cars in the UK (Mine,Joves,Bigshow,Blue Al etc) are similar WHP/BHP and are quick so if we are 20-30WHP we want to find out why.

As Bigshow has posted we tested Joves mini against my M3 CSL and there is not a massive difference in 30-70, obviously the CSL then pulls away, so with another 20-30WHP they should be as quick as the CSL or pull away in a straight line

 

As has been said before, and with all due respect, wrong parts combination and the TUNE.

 

I seem to have all the correct parts and Jan did my tune, don't get me wrong I am happy with the performance I have out of the mini but when you think you should have more, or see more power with the same mods you begin to wonder why. I had a new enigne fitted under warranty by BMW before I fitted all the parts. It was all "run in" together

 

Well I wasn't there and have no first hand info, but from what I've read on the other sites, you guys have changed things. Since the 1320 crowd has gone agro on the rest of the world and Paul says Chris tune is as good as any, from where I'm sitting I'd say you guys went off the reservation and on on your own to figure it out now. If you guys put half as much effort into solving the issues as to tearing everyone else down I'm sure you'll find the 20-30hp.

These pissing matches have gone on for months now and have become quite boring. I wish you the best of luck, as I said before, many people have tried to help you out but it has fallen on deaf ears.

 

As we have discussed before on many occasion that various dynos will give different numbers and as proven in other threads as well as this one even the same makes of dynos in the same country.

You could take your car Big Howe to 10 differnt dynos in Cali and they will all proberly read different but guess what, your 30-70 30-100 30-130 would still be the same.