So exactly the same combo as big howe but with less hp / trq across the range, but now with the meth kit on it matches it.

Have you got a new before and after of big howe's with the meth on ?

 

Jeff's car has been the test mule for the methanol system for quite some time

we now have it perfected

 

so are we now talking about a plug and play kit?
or has jeffs car been "re-tuned" to suit the kit?
a bit of a chicken and egg question i know... but has cost implications to those not starting with a blank slate

the low octane pump gas is intresting, will this be even cooler with uk 99 octane, or is the cheap stuff some how better

 

Schweeeet! I make one little post and this thread goes nuclear.

Exactly... which is why I included the caveats...

Being a huge fan of the RMW stuff, which works very well for me and in many cases isn't any more expensive than other alternatives, I have no doubt that the RMW water/meth system would perform better at the limit...

But if I can make my car perform (on the street) more like it does on a cold day, on a hot day, then I'm happy. And in saying that you think it will "help over stock" then that raises my confidence that I'll achieve that goal.

My objective for this mod, right now - "measurable improvement, for a little money". Versus "great improvement, at a fair price" which is what I expect when I buy RMW stuff.

I wonder how much of the difference, where the progressive boost-driven systems hit the wall, is at the limit... because most of the RMW customers who track their cars with big valve heads are running +30tq and +40-50hp and +500 RPM or more compared to where I live in my car... I'm not trying to get even close to big_howe, or longboard, or danny, or Jan's stroker, or other cars that may be in that league... if I did, my tranny would grenade.

I can certainly be convinced otherwise, and I'm doing my own experimentation to learn what some others here have learned through experimentation... but my current thought is that what is best and necessary for a 250+hp track MINI might be overkill for a 210ish hp automatic convertible street MINI. This certainly holds true for some other components, and I suspect it's true for water/meth.

 

we have made a manual on how to install it in a MINI
We are streamlining it as much as possible. Depending upon how you want to mount the nozzle dictates how long it will take for you to install.
Where you will see the biggest gains is when it's really hot and the car wants to pull timing. On our system we have all of the data logging showing the timing, inlet temps etc. We don't know of anyone who has the data we do showing how much it works.


Paul,
I saw your post with the caveats and knew you didn't start this but when inaccurate info is posted as fact I felt it should be discussed here. I will be interested on your data that you collect as we have a car setup with all the data gathering equipment. Going from a scan gauge is really misleading that's why we put all of the sensors in. What we found compared to the other systems out there is "how the meth is distributed". It's much different on a Rotrex and turbo car than it is on an Eaton. I am interested in seeing your data and comparing it.
What kind of data logging equipment are you going to be using?

 

Not sure yet. Definitely not planning to take the scangauge IAT's as "gospel" - I understand the weakness there. May add an additional temp probe to get better comparative readings.

That said, I will NOT turn this into a project like the great intercooler shoot out, and am not offering up my time and $ to prove anything to the community with empirical data. If I achieve something that I personally feel has made my car run better, then I win. I'm not trying to convince anyone else that's what they need to do. And (unlike some of those who might beat me over the head for "numbers") I have NO financial stake in who buys what from whom when...

Net-net... I'll either end up with an inexpensive system that *seems* to work for my needs, or I'll decide that it doesn't *seem* to work for my needs. And I'll report that. What others do with that report is their business.

I may end up using virtual trap times (aka Dynolicious or GTimer) as the best empirical determination of whether it's doing what I want...

 

honestly......... I find it sad that a vendor is not supplying you with the equipment to test their products for THEM. Am I the only guy left actually testing performance products before releasing them on the community? We have spent over a yr tweaking the kit for the MINI.

 

My questions to you are this:

1. Why don't you become a vendor on the sites?
2. Where is your data proving the rotrex vs eaton statement? (I've tested them )
3. Please show your data showing how your ramp pump speed can be optimal over all conditions

 

Excellent does that mean you're now going to share the data you and big howe have logged instead of dyno numbers.

30-70 in 3rd with and without

30 -130 with and without

2000 -7000 with and without

Looks pretty exciting to me, have you got prices yet or a release date......

Notice i did ask for a 1/4 mile ET and Mph

But will you be giving us sone with and without around SOW ?

 

Gee Jan... nice to know you have lots of time to talk about how great the Aquamist kit is you've put together for the Mini... but still haven't had a chance to respond to my questions about the tune on my Mini.

I especially find it great to see how much you're talking about safety of cars here in this thread, when my questions to you were directly related to the safety of my Mini...

 

I have been on vacation and have tried to answer all of the emails in my inbox. I don't see yours there. Feel free to call I will be at the shop installing meth kits today

 

liquids don't compress . as long as it's primed and the pump is strong enough for the distance ( it's horizontal too ) then no worrys .

 

If you tune for a gain at one section of the rev band, or just want to run the car down the drag strip on one pump ramp up cycle I'm sure you could attain any number you want. If you want a system to work across the entire rev range, and maintain decent AFR's, the pump speed based system can't touch a true PWM system. Where was everyone when for years Aquamist supplied 7 of the 8 WRC teams? They certainly weren't using pump speed based systems.

By the way, Snow performance just introduced IDC logic into their systems. I would guess because the market is demanding it. But since they are still using pump speed, it still won't keep up.

 

If you don't have a solenoid at the nozzle the line will get sucked dry under vacuum then take too long to fill when you need it. Checkvalves just kill the dynamic range of the system and should be avoided if at all possible.

 

Exact this is a point where I`m worry about....
Do you know the exact voltage when the checkvalve opens, can´t get any info about this yet.

The only point to inject at the mini engine without a checkvalve is prior the the throttle body.

 

With the Alky Control system the solenoid ( the black one here ) gets its commands from the control module but I think we would have to ask Julio as to what the specific voltage is . On my car it is set to start at 8lbs of boost and goes progressive from there.

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

The 100's plus users of Devils Own kits with trunk mounted tank on many cars much longer then MINI's have not report a performance issue with that setup.

 

Do you know this yourself or are you just passing along info Devil's Own has given you? There's a reason he can't post here (yet).

 

Unless there is a second Julio in the mix here I think the only one mentioned has been Julio of Alky Control .
http://www.alkycontrol.com/

This is the system D-MAN and I are using .

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

fixed

 

posteriquote™

 

Damn you mean that companies sell stuff claiming it to be exclusivy designed by themselfs and it isn't.....................

 

LMFAO !! Really??

Just me..................................

Thumper

 

I was able to mount mine under the toggles in the center console. The controllers are usually quite compact so there are several places you can locate them .

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

Not sure what you are implying here but since you continue to post here, you must have some time to waste. Why don't you enlighten us how your pump speed based system is better than our made for the MINI "rebadged" kit which has been tested for over a yr.