Devil's Own Water/Meth
 

Anyone running this?
http://www.alcohol-injection.com/wat...tage-2-12.html

Not a bad deal at all...for 330.

How-To is on its way...just wanted to see if anyone had any info prior.

Yea...I have used it. "You wanna get high???"...."No Towlie...I dont want to get high!!!!":lol::popcorn:

You know....your NEVER gonna get a useful answer and it leaves it open for your post to get bombed on. BY ME! :grin::razz::popcorn:

Price is definitely right... would love to see results of this - as well as how-to for a MCS-specific install... :thumbsup:

I haven't heard of that kit, but I know the Snow Performance kit gets great reviews from the dubbers. Here's one for the MINI:

http://www.snowperformance.net/products.php?p_cat=251

For the price it looks good :thumbsup:
I would also get the float switch and hook it up to an LED so you know when you are running low on the meth.
Solenoid also not a bad idea to add...

The issue is, how do you accurately trigger it on the MINI. Boost doesn't work because of the SC profile, nor is there a MAF.

Can you elaborate a bit on this? This is all new to me:lol:

From what I am told...the sprayer will automatically spray 15% capacity when it reaches what I set for the 'start' boost input on the controller, and then will give 100% when it reaches the 'full' on the controller.

It could trigger off of the MAP though, could it. I know my scan gauge gets a boost reading from there.

The problem is twofold. The two typical signals to pull are MAF/MAP (0-5v) or boost. Both of these are far from linear with load and therefore cause the system to shoot too little or too much depending upon RPM/load, etc. You will cool the charge looking at the scangauge, but won't see any significant performance benefits.
Also, pump speed based systems don't have a full range of progression, and are better suited to drag style apps or dynos. You need 4x the pressure to get 2x the flow change. That's why they run those pumps to 220-240psi, they have to just to get the system to have some sort of flow range.
At a minimum, you need IDC control of the system otherwise it's all over the place on the MINI.

That being said, anything does help, but may not get you want you want. All of this is tune dependent as well. If you have a good tune, you will see modest gains. If you have a stock or less than optimal tune, your gains will be bigger as it's acting as a bandaid. If you change your tune to take advantage of the water/meth, you can see significant gains as well.

Just curious bighowe... are you a guinea pig for Jan's setup? Sounds like you've been through a lot of this on the MINI already...

I've been playing with these systems for quite a while and have talked with most of these vendors, and some you've never heard of at one time or another about the MINI issues. With the data acquisition system on my car it's much easier to see how everything is reacting and what's going on. Yes, basically Jan's system, but I can never leave well enough alone and am always changing things.

What kind of gains do you expect to get from this?

You're my hero. :wink:

Agreed on the tuning. Unfortunately if you tune for it you have to run it all of the time. My Jetta has switchable MAPS, 91 to 100 octane and back and I want to run a water-meth kit on it to use with the 100 octane program.

I'm almost done with the switchable maps

Oh Nice :thumbsup: :cool:

You don't nessesarily have to run it all the time, you just can't hammer on it all the time.

Is there anything you can't do :lol:

big howe

What kind of gains have you seen from Jan's setup on your car?

He can't stop being a tease. And he doesn't look great in women's clothing. Pretty good, but not great.

Hmmm...sounds like a tune will be in order... possibly the MEMS...

Honestly, Im not expecting anything crazy...a little kick during boost is all im really lookin for...maybe 10 or 15 at max boost and Id be happy. Ill probably tone it down to minimize any potential damage...

Newbs, let me find the plots and I'll put something up. Sorry I missed this.

Thanks
Very interested :nod:

Big howe since you have palyed around with meth kits on mins more than anyone else have you tried injecting pre charger or just post intercooler or what about both???

Also has anyone actually fully tuned a mini for meth yet?
With full on agressive advancement of timing?