where have you guys been mounting the tank, and I guess the pump as well?...if tank is in trunk, how to route hosing to engine compartment?

 

I use the basic Snow Performance Kit.. "varie Boost controller" is off my boost gage. Just your basic.. the thing works, kinda thingy!! as for all that tech stuff.... well thats cool!! However with just a basic put it on and go.. I can pull this on it....

[SIZE=5]3) Snow performance water/methanol system. 177.52 whp
[/SIZE][SIZE=5]Note: SHORT RUN!! HP gain was a 30% Meth mix. System start at 8 psi and full on at 10 psi.
Meth was added as a safety item against ping. ** Pull stopped at 6000 rpm do to spark plug failure!!
[/SIZE][SIZE=5]4) Re-Pull step 3: Water /meth ON, One-step colder spark plug added 181.01whp 155.90 tq
[/SIZE][SIZE=5]Note: Colder plugs was gapped at .045 Autolite APP3923 spark plug
{Dyno 006}10.58 whp gain

and then on a bit of spray... seem the Nitrous like the system also...

[SIZE=5]6) Wet Nitrous water/meth OFF 245whp 239 tq
[/SIZE][SIZE=5]Note: 34-18 jetting used a/f is good!
{Dyno 017} 39.22 whp gain / 55.2 Tq gain****
[/SIZE][SIZE=5]7) Wet Nitrous and water /meth ON 257 whp 260 tq
[/SIZE][SIZE=5]50/50 % mix w/m ON, a/f is right on
{Dyno 018}12 whp gain**** 21 Tq gain
**** Total[/SIZE][SIZE=5] gain with N.O.S. Wet system is: **51.22 WHP / 85 TQ !!***[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=5]I feel if it works why fix it for another 2 or 3 HP... if that much..[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=5]Just me...................[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=5]Thumper
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sorry for the freaked out letters... damn computers!! LOL
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Cool - thanks for the details!

 

You can run the lines in the cabin along the kick panel under the carpet, or you can run them under the car.
As for the pump depends on what system some mount in the tank like the coolingmist, I mounted mine inside the rear fender (ideally it should be below the reservoir).

Also check out this site - even if you don't get one of Julio's kits he has some good info http://www.alkycontrol.com

 

^^along the 'kick panel'??.... and Does it matter how far away the pump is from the tank, and how far the pump outlet is from the injection nozzle?

 

You generally want the pump as close to the tank as possible. But you can cheat it a bit. Depending upon the type of system you have, if you have a long length of line from the pump to the jet it can cause issues.

 

yeah, so it wouldn't be that good to mount the tank and pump in the trunk and have the line goin all the way to the injection point?

 

Like what??????

 

I have 14 foot of line going from my tank to the pump to the solenoid to the filter then the nozzle/jet - and I have had no issues.
Most of the guys with boot mounts systems like Thumper and others haven't had any problems with there systems either so...

 

For example, if you put the tank and pump in the trunk and run a line all the way to the front, you will tend to suck the line all or partially dry under vacuum when the system is idle. If you have installed the system to try to stop some pinging due to a bad or stock tune, it will then take that much longer to fill the line and start spraying properly when you open the throttle again. This is exactly the point at which you need it for more reasons than just the initial ping. At a minimum you should have a solenoid near the injection point.
Many of these systems will operate in an acceptable manner for an acceleration/dyno or dragstrip run. If that is what you want, throw any system in the car. But for on/off throttle type applications(street and track use) if you want something that will work right, there are some details that need attention.
As I've said before, there are many variables in play here. It's not all about the numbers on a dyno run even though that's what everyone looks at.

 

I have the pump/tank and (anti syphon)solenoid all mounted in the boot.. then run the flow tube under the carpet along the side of the body. The "Vari boost control" is in the engine compartment acquiring the boost off the Boost gage tubing. The pump is actuated when boost is at 4-5 Psi. full on at 10 psi. The system is doing exactly what it is intended to do... and is a totally simple install. I am interested in D-Mans results when he goes in befor the SC, and if the results are not quite a bit better than the standard install that I am using.. it is just going to be another "Trick Install" that has been personalized by the owner, and not required to get results from the system. But we will see... D-Man rocks with being "custom"..

Just me..........................

Thumper

 

"Required to get results" is a relative term. Unless you've tried all of the scenarios, how do you know you've gotten the best results or yours are even near their full potential?

 

good info guys....I guess the main thing at least right now, is where to mount the pump and tank. The thing with doin it in the trunk is obviously running the lines, but also all the wiring to the front of the car to the battery...maybe I can find a place for both at the front...

 

I'm in your area and have extra pumps and tanks and such lying around. If you wanted to get together and test fit some items in the car for the best fit before you buy I'd be happy to help.

 

pm'd ya

 

I have tried heaps of different combos and I am still playing around with my system.
I am going to try pre-supercharger injection.
Then I am going to try dual injection sites - pre-SC injection along with post IC.
That should cover about everything...

 

That is why I run a solenoid on my system...and If you were going to run a Devils/own system get one as I suggested earlier
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...587-post6.html

Very true and what may work on one car may not achieve the same results on another due to the variables

 

Every manufacturer has their merits, and I have talked to many at length about the MINI. I'm not sure who I talked with at DevilsOwn, but they were pretty nice and very knowledgeable about what they are doing. If I remember right they are putting an engine dyno together. I even have a few of their nozzles laying around, much nicer than the AG nozzles Coolingmist and some others sell.
One thing I have come to realize about the vendors, the good ones know that the MINI(R53)application isn't easy, both in hardware and tuning, and the others who say not are just trying to make a buck off you.
The R56 will be just as difficult for some similar and some other reasons.

Good luck with your testing.

 

Thumper - with your rig, what kind of juice consumption are you seeing in different types of driving? I'm curious how many miles you get per gallon of mix for daily driving vs. performance driving, etc... your results may have a bearing on my tank decision...

 

where have you guys been mounting the controller...near center console?

 

Which nozzle size are you guys using?
I´m not qite sure if the 100ml/min or the 175ml/min (Snowperformance) fits best.
At the moment the 175 is in, pre SC.
Yesterday we done some datalogging at 10°C oat and there was no gain with meth at all!
No gain in boost and no decrease in knock energy, even exact the same inlet temps.
With meth 4th gear to 7200rpm max inlet 40°C and without (GP IC) 42°C.
Max timing is 31,5° , without meth the ECU pulls timing above 6500rpm by 10° on the 2nd cylinder, with meth the timing was stable.
I will swap the JCW plugs for some colder plugs with heatrange 8 and go back with the nozzle after IC.
Its much self explaining, when spraying in 9°C air the temp will not much decrease, but spraying after IC in 42°C air the temp decrease estimates at least 10°C.
I keep you guys update.....
BTW: The car on the Snow site is mine!

 

MadMick check out minitorque for my response

 

Anyways thats the Bay Area? Ill be there all throughout the holidays...

 

Where are you and when?

 

Well they are nice.......best? There are other nice nozzles available as well. I look forward to seeing your data from the supercharger dyno and how it correlates to in car performance.