Drivetrain Devil's Own Water/Meth
Devil's Own Water/Meth
Anyone running this?
http://www.alcohol-injection.com/wat...tage-2-12.html
Not a bad deal at all...for 330.
How-To is on its way...just wanted to see if anyone had any info prior.
http://www.alcohol-injection.com/wat...tage-2-12.html
Not a bad deal at all...for 330.
How-To is on its way...just wanted to see if anyone had any info prior.
I haven't heard of that kit, but I know the Snow Performance kit gets great reviews from the dubbers. Here's one for the MINI:
http://www.snowperformance.net/products.php?p_cat=251
http://www.snowperformance.net/products.php?p_cat=251
Anyone running this?
http://www.alcohol-injection.com/wat...tage-2-12.html
Not a bad deal at all...for 330.
How-To is on its way...just wanted to see if anyone had any info prior.
http://www.alcohol-injection.com/wat...tage-2-12.html
Not a bad deal at all...for 330.
How-To is on its way...just wanted to see if anyone had any info prior.
I would also get the float switch and hook it up to an LED so you know when you are running low on the meth.
Solenoid also not a bad idea to add...
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The issue is, how do you accurately trigger it on the MINI. Boost doesn't work because of the SC profile, nor is there a MAF.
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From what I am told...the sprayer will automatically spray 15% capacity when it reaches what I set for the 'start' boost input on the controller, and then will give 100% when it reaches the 'full' on the controller.
It could trigger off of the MAP though, could it. I know my scan gauge gets a boost reading from there.
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The problem is twofold. The two typical signals to pull are MAF/MAP (0-5v) or boost. Both of these are far from linear with load and therefore cause the system to shoot too little or too much depending upon RPM/load, etc. You will cool the charge looking at the scangauge, but won't see any significant performance benefits.
Also, pump speed based systems don't have a full range of progression, and are better suited to drag style apps or dynos. You need 4x the pressure to get 2x the flow change. That's why they run those pumps to 220-240psi, they have to just to get the system to have some sort of flow range.
At a minimum, you need IDC control of the system otherwise it's all over the place on the MINI.
That being said, anything does help, but may not get you want you want. All of this is tune dependent as well. If you have a good tune, you will see modest gains. If you have a stock or less than optimal tune, your gains will be bigger as it's acting as a bandaid. If you change your tune to take advantage of the water/meth, you can see significant gains as well.
Also, pump speed based systems don't have a full range of progression, and are better suited to drag style apps or dynos. You need 4x the pressure to get 2x the flow change. That's why they run those pumps to 220-240psi, they have to just to get the system to have some sort of flow range.
At a minimum, you need IDC control of the system otherwise it's all over the place on the MINI.
That being said, anything does help, but may not get you want you want. All of this is tune dependent as well. If you have a good tune, you will see modest gains. If you have a stock or less than optimal tune, your gains will be bigger as it's acting as a bandaid. If you change your tune to take advantage of the water/meth, you can see significant gains as well.
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I've been playing with these systems for quite a while and have talked with most of these vendors, and some you've never heard of at one time or another about the MINI issues. With the data acquisition system on my car it's much easier to see how everything is reacting and what's going on. Yes, basically Jan's system, but I can never leave well enough alone and am always changing things.
I've been playing with these systems for quite a while and have talked with most of these vendors, and some you've never heard of at one time or another about the MINI issues. With the data acquisition system on my car it's much easier to see how everything is reacting and what's going on. Yes, basically Jan's system, but I can never leave well enough alone and am always changing things.
That being said, anything does help, but may not get you want you want. All of this is tune dependent as well. If you have a good tune, you will see modest gains. If you have a stock or less than optimal tune, your gains will be bigger as it's acting as a bandaid. If you change your tune to take advantage of the water/meth, you can see significant gains as well.
I'm almost done with the switchable maps
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You don't nessesarily have to run it all the time, you just can't hammer on it all the time.
The problem is twofold. The two typical signals to pull are MAF/MAP (0-5v) or boost. Both of these are far from linear with load and therefore cause the system to shoot too little or too much depending upon RPM/load, etc. You will cool the charge looking at the scangauge, but won't see any significant performance benefits.
Also, pump speed based systems don't have a full range of progression, and are better suited to drag style apps or dynos. You need 4x the pressure to get 2x the flow change. That's why they run those pumps to 220-240psi, they have to just to get the system to have some sort of flow range.
At a minimum, you need IDC control of the system otherwise it's all over the place on the MINI.
That being said, anything does help, but may not get you want you want. All of this is tune dependent as well. If you have a good tune, you will see modest gains. If you have a stock or less than optimal tune, your gains will be bigger as it's acting as a bandaid. If you change your tune to take advantage of the water/meth, you can see significant gains as well.
Also, pump speed based systems don't have a full range of progression, and are better suited to drag style apps or dynos. You need 4x the pressure to get 2x the flow change. That's why they run those pumps to 220-240psi, they have to just to get the system to have some sort of flow range.
At a minimum, you need IDC control of the system otherwise it's all over the place on the MINI.
That being said, anything does help, but may not get you want you want. All of this is tune dependent as well. If you have a good tune, you will see modest gains. If you have a stock or less than optimal tune, your gains will be bigger as it's acting as a bandaid. If you change your tune to take advantage of the water/meth, you can see significant gains as well.
Honestly, Im not expecting anything crazy...a little kick during boost is all im really lookin for...maybe 10 or 15 at max boost and Id be happy. Ill probably tone it down to minimize any potential damage...
Also has anyone actually fully tuned a mini for meth yet?
With full on agressive advancement of timing?