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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 11:35 AM
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Big Bore or 2.0 conversion?

Has anyone gone so far as to make their mini a 2 liter or something similar? Is it possible? Will it be something available in the future. I would love to get that low end torque or hear a 2 liter grunt sound come out of my car!
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 12:05 PM
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I'm not sure if anyone has attempted or done it, but I do know the sidewalls are extremely thin and i'm not sure its possible
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 12:17 PM
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 12:33 PM
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Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Actually, I just own the engine -- PTG built it a few years ago.
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ClintTheMiniOwner
Has anyone gone so far as to make their mini a 2 liter or something similar? Is it possible? Will it be something available in the future. I would love to get that low end torque or hear a 2 liter grunt sound come out of my car!
This post has been edited in light of further information.

It's been researched - see below.
 

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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 01:16 PM
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I'm not sure if anyone has attempted or done it, but I do know the sidewalls are extremely thin and i'm not sure its possible
Thats what sleeves are for.
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 03:45 PM
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Thats what sleeves are for.
Exactly!

Jan has been putting in some miles on a the first 2.OL street engine. The engine uses only the best inside and yes it isn't cheap but the best never is.

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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 03:53 PM
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I have had 2.0L engines in testing for over a yr..... it's amazing that people still think it can't be done.... good grief
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 04:01 PM
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It's been researched and checked into but the cost would be high and the benefit limited.

who says that?

It's obvious to me you have never ridden in a 2.0L stroker
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dmh
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Actually, I just own the engine -- PTG built it a few years ago.

that's interesting... I pulled apart the PTG engine they built for the MiniUSA drag car.... sad effort
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 04:55 PM
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
who says that?

It's obvious to me you have never ridden in a 2.0L stroker
Please post your efforts and results and cost of 2.0L stroker kit.

I went to your site and do not see that as an option. Something new?

Which MINI is it for? What are the details.

Information on the stroker kit-
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=48957
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=51867
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co....php?p=1816366
 

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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by hemiheaded18
Thats what sleeves are for.
I wouldn't think that sleeving/overboring would buy you much, displacement-wise. Even going with a 2.5mm overbore (0.100", which is big) would only take you from 1.6L to 1.7L.

Wouldn't any real displacement gains have to come mostly from stroking the engine?
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by minihune
Please post your efforts and results and cost of 2.0L stroker kit.

I went to your site and do not see that as an option. Something new?

Which MINI is it for? What are the details.

Information on the stroker kit-
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=48957
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=51867

My policy is to not put it on the website until I am 100% done testing. It does work wonderfully.... some would call it tasty
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 09:22 PM
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My policy is to not put it on the website until I am 100% done testing. It does work wonderfully.... some would call it tasty
Your the man Jan, always liked your style and still do
 

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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 09:41 PM
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Jan stopped by to revise/update my tune. I have RMW head and first go at ECU tune. His revised tune seems to have cured a problem regarding the delay in the engine slowing down when lifting off the throttle. This issue is common to 2003 MCS. Car is smooth and fast now.

However, Jan has caused me some real sadness. He allowed me to drive his 2 L stroker GP. With my (34 yr. old) son as a passenger, we took it for a spin.

Good grief that car is AWSOME fast!! It was way too fast to take past 6000 RPM. Fastest car I ever drove. And with Cross suspension, it was on rails, even with runflats.

If I had that car, I don't think I'd keep my license for long.

Jan is a stickler for getting things right, and his customer service cannot be beaten.
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
I have had 2.0L engines in testing for over a yr..... it's amazing that people still think it can't be done.... good grief
How am I supposed to know what you are doing unless you leak at least partial information? If I am in the dark then others are as well. Look at the threads I was able to find by searching using "2.0L stroker".

I can understand your policy about fully testing products but since there are no 2.0L strokers in my area then there can be no way for me to see what can be done. (except by reading about it)

So why not post that you are working on it and you expect it completed... or if you cannot say when then say so.

Seems like from what has been posted, significant benefit potential is possible, now we will wait on the total price for the kit plus installation.
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ClintTheMiniOwner
Has anyone gone so far as to make their mini a 2 liter or something similar? Is it possible? Will it be something available in the future. I would love to get that low end torque or hear a 2 liter grunt sound come out of my car!
So the update-

2.0 L MINI? Yes, it's been done more than once.

Yes, it is possible.

Hopefully it will be for sale in the future.

You know who to contact. Ask if your mods done already would be in any conflict with the 2.0L upgrade. Would anything need to be removed or further upgraded to make full benefit of the 2.0L kit.

Have fun
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by minihune
How am I supposed to know what you are doing unless you leak at least partial information? If I am in the dark then others are as well. Look at the threads I was able to find by searching using "2.0L stroker".

I can understand your policy about fully testing products but since there are no 2.0L strokers in my area then there can be no way for me to see what can be done. (except by reading about it)

So why not post that you are working on it and you expect it completed... or if you cannot say when then say so.

Seems like from what has been posted, significant benefit potential is possible, now we will wait on the total price for the kit plus installation.
I have been posting about the 2L for months on NAM and over a yr on other sites....
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...0&ppuser=36227
guess the search engine doesn't work to well

this engine will work in either car.... cooper or S
I will have a big rotrex kit for both soon
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
My policy is to not put it on the website until I am 100% done testing. It does work wonderfully.... some would call it tasty


Originally Posted by minihune
How am I supposed to know what you are doing unless you leak at least partial information?
why do you need to know? any interested party can contact Jan for info. If he doesn't want to post here....that's his prerogative. He's obviously got time, $$ and labor tied up...and he's in business. Not a mental leap to realize he wants to keep a competitive edge....

Originally Posted by minihune
I can understand your policy about fully testing products but
I know this is a foreign concept for the MINI community to fully test before turning on the PR machine, but there's a reason companies keep things quiet during R&D - this can vary from the point I made above to the M62 debacle with M7 and DDM.
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveS
Jan stopped by to revise/update my tune. I have RMW head and first go at ECU tune. His revised tune seems to have cured a problem regarding the delay in the engine slowing down when lifting off the throttle. This issue is common to 2003 MCS. Car is smooth and fast now.

However, Jan has caused me some real sadness. He allowed me to drive his 2 L stroker GP. With my (34 yr. old) son as a passenger, we took it for a spin.

Good grief that car is AWSOME fast!! It was way too fast to take past 6000 RPM. Fastest car I ever drove. And with Cross suspension, it was on rails, even with runflats.

If I had that car, I don't think I'd keep my license for long.

Jan is a stickler for getting things right, and his customer service cannot be beaten.
I told you .... you would never be the same after driving it....
glad to see the scroll down is working better
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 10:32 PM
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why do you need to know? any interested party can contact Jan for info. If he doesn't want to post here....that's his prerogative. He's obviously got time, $$ and labor tied up...and he's in business. Not a mental leap to realize he wants to keep a competitive edge....



I know this is a foreign concept for the MINI community to fully test before turning on the PR machine, but there's a reason companies keep things quiet during R&D - this can vary from the point I made above to the M62 debacle with M7 and DDM.
It is the OP that is interested in knowing about the options. That person now has the option to reach Jan. That is the point of this discussion and thread. I could not post who to contact since I did not have enough information about what was possible but now I do- it is a learning process.

Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
My policy is to not put it on the website until I am 100% done testing. It does work wonderfully.... some would call it tasty
I don't see a problem here. I agree the policy is sound.

How does one know what is in R&D when a question does come up?
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveS
Jan stopped by to revise/update my tune. I have RMW head and first go at ECU tune. His revised tune seems to have cured a problem regarding the delay in the engine slowing down when lifting off the throttle. This issue is common to 2003 MCS. Car is smooth and fast now.

However, Jan has caused me some real sadness. He allowed me to drive his 2 L stroker GP. With my (34 yr. old) son as a passenger, we took it for a spin.

Good grief that car is AWSOME fast!! It was way too fast to take past 6000 RPM. Fastest car I ever drove. And with Cross suspension, it was on rails, even with runflats.

If I had that car, I don't think I'd keep my license for long.

Jan is a stickler for getting things right, and his customer service cannot be beaten.
I had an opportunity to ride in this monster at the track on Hoosers. We pulled on nearly every car there, including an Ariel Atom, and Jan was short shifting . The 2.0's got so much power it's just ridiculous, the torque is instant, you just get slammed back into your seat at every turn .
 

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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 11:40 PM
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I had an opportunity to ride in this monster at the track on Hoosers. We were pulled on nearly every car there, including an Ariel Atom, and Jan was short shifting . The 2.0's got so much power it's just ridiculous, the torque is instant, you just get slammed back into your seat at every turn .
Wonder why MINI did not build the original engine as 2.0 L ?
Even 2.2 L?

The test car was with turbo?
 
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 11:53 PM
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Wonder why MINI did not build the original engine as 2.0 L ?
Even 2.2 L?

The test car was with turbo?
Oftentimes the answer to a question like this can be summed up in one word: cost.

And as an addendum, at least in the car design/model lineup world: positioning.
 
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