That's why the pump is so important. If you have the right pump, the reservoir can be as large as you are willing to make it. If it is a smaller pump capability, then you don't want to overwhelm it with the giant reservoir.

What I am saying is that it isn't that we necessarily disagree, there are just so many variables to discuss. All change performance. I still believe for the best performance, you use the right pump with a big reservoir.

When all factors are considered, it is always a compromise of weight, packaging, availability and very importantly, cost.

Hope that helps!
Randy

 

John from LDG said the same thing a while back.

Good to see you around Randy!

 

You might want to get in touch with this guy. Apparently he had a different result.

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i'm glad that you are happy w/ your intercooler. a buddy of mine, who has the entire madness catalog on his car, didn't like his. he tracks the car very hard and had serious heat soak issues on the track. he left the track after two sessions, went home and reverted to a stock set-up. i realize that the demands on the track are completely different than street driving. i just wanted to post what i knew for those contemplating this system and tracking their cars. [/FONT]

 

I'm confused..... i am not taking a position just reporting all the different experiences that contradict each other..... I am just looking not to spend money on the wrong choice FOR ME.

 

DFIC v.2.0 ... Peter et.al.have improved cooling and flow. This has been in the works for a while and should be ready very soon. I pushed Peter in time for the LDG tune next Tuesday .... he could not promise that but very soon after.....

 

I'm doing the same thing. I will not put a new intercooler on my car unless it is going to work for how I plan to use my car. I'm also not willing to pay over inflated prices.

I'm lucky because the Rotrex puts out a lot less heat then the Eaton. That said I still want to cool down the intake track as much as I can for what I'm using the car for.

At the top of my list is the Pace. I contacted them about a year ago and got a price of $3000.00. I still can't justify the cost in my crazy head yet.

I'm hoping the Laminova W2A that RMW's just got makes it's way on to my car for testing. It looks very promising. Jan, are you listening

Longboard

 

Pickup on aisle 5

btw... Rotrex called today and wants to get this on the dyno to tune

 

You say tomato... I say tomato.... I think it is very cool that some new stuff is happening.... I still like the DFIC in concept and amd very glad about V 2.0.... I saw the laminova at the Dragon.... it is very, very nice as well.... I need another car

 

I tried to get my wife to trade the SUV for a convertible. I told her I would leave it stock .

Who's Laminova did you look at "at the dragon".

Longboard

 

YaaaaaaaHoooooooooo!!!!! Let's make some power man. Just tell me when and I'm there

Longboard

 

You are very, very bad!

That would be a fun and devious game to play - see how many mods you can put on the SO's MINI and convincing her she's going crazy if she has any suspicions, and see how long you can get away with it. Just expect to sleep in the doghouse for a while once the cat's out of the bag.

 

let's hope it ships on Monday like they say

 

I'm at LDG Monday am.

 

I hate it that we will miss each other..... Jeanne and I are going to tour DC

I am looking forward to the new DFIC.....

 

What's wrong with the old dfic?

 

Some guy I was talking to mentioned an aquaintance who was staying in one of the cabins (can't remember his name) had brought the Laminova prototype for the Mini...so I tracked him down and brought him over to Eric/Jan to discuss future testing...the unit was not mounted to any Mini at the time...

 

IT's optimized for thermal efficiency at the price of backpressure. So it's the cat's meow for street drivng, but starts to choke the engine of highly modified cars at high RPM. (Read racing on the track).

There's never any perfect solution.....

Matt

 

air to water has its perkes, but once you ad the weight and the differnece in price compaired to an air to air ic i dont think it is worth it. i am lucky enough to have a friend that works at a mini dealer and he was able to get me the ic from a GP. No boost lose and it works great

 

it's nice the think whatever you want, but there's no data to support the claim. W2A has some nice aspects to it, that's for sure

Our cars have to push about 15 lbs per HP. If you added thirty lbs of W2A and got 2 HP net gain, the car's performance would be about the same.

The GP does have a pressure drop, it's just less than stock but no IC has none.

Matt

 

ok ok... i know you are new... and many will see this as rude... but honestly... you don't know what you are talking about. the weight differnce is minimal. refer to the beginning of the thread. It will weigh about 10lbs more if you go with the Mini Madness intercooler. Also, the power you save with it... is worth every LAST penny. It more than makes up for the trivial weight. Many people say that it weighs more... but thats like saying a buzz cut weighs less than a flat top hair cut... who freaking cares. It ends up being about a half a percent of the cars total weight. Also, if you are concerned with weight you had better have rota slipstreams for wheels, a carbon fiber hood, hatch and fenders without paint (for weight of course) also, exchange the gas tank for a 5 gallon fuel cell...


Again, people will think that i am flying off the handle and being rude... its the truth! and actual fact

 

the madness kit doesn't weigh 30lbs extra

 

I was just putting weight vs HP gained into persepctive. at 10 lbs added, you'd only need to get about 2/3rds of an HP gain to be acceleration performance neutral.

Matt

 

isellem,

I have heard storys of the pump runing after the car is turned off will, will that drain the battery?

 

Not rude its just the truth.

 

Some cycle the water because it can still shed heat after the car stops by moving the hot water in front of the radiator. They typically run on a timed relay that keeps power on for a certain amount of time after the car stops. Think of it as a turbo timer for the W2A set up.

Matt