Probably as this is a sore issue for some folks....

 

Daflake, I hate you. Why did you send me the link to this thread? You're evil, man, just evil.

1. Allegations of a lie.

2. Questions on the implications for the sources for the parts we buy.

3. Questions about what we want from our vendors.

How did this get past 15 posts?

 

Your welcome!

I knew you needed some excitement.

 

Maybe we misunderstood. ??
I thought you were saying that it was up to the individual to decide weather or not to post "private messages". But maybe you were saying don't do it. What are you saying Mark? If someone were to post a PM here how would you handle that?
I would hope that there were strict rules against doing so myself.

 

don't ever commit to writing/PM/email anything you don't want posted/forwarded/shared. this goes for life in general, not just forums. all others see are your words, not the intent, inflection or (true) meaning.

 

Ok, guys so since it seems unneccessary to post the PM and it seemed a little unethical to do so(IMO) I will withold the PM's. I am sorry if I gave anyone false hope, I just don't feel right about "back-stabbing". So, it is what it is and this thread should cease to continue in my eyes. This will be my last post in this thread. So attack me if you will, I will not respond. I am done here. My interests in the NAM community are within the evolving of our cars and the crazyness of the newest products. I do not like to sit still and have my wheels spinning for too long.

 

dood i hope you won't be dancing on anyones leg anytime soon. you might leave a stain.

 

man even camelpilot came out of flame war retirement for this one.

ahsum.

 

Peter doesn't owe any explanation to NAM members as a group! As a vendor offering products VIA NAM - I have not seen any vendor statement by M7 on NAM in which the coilover manufacturing origin is raised or implied to NAM members as a Group.

The issue is a conversation between two people and that is the arena in which it should be resolved and not NAM.

 

ding ding ding... winnar!!! here's a cookie. :impatient

 

 

this thread has jumped the shark. IBTL

 

Actually it was raised in a vendor announcement....and they told the truth....so as i said earlier...chris deserves an explanation. The rest of us really have no reason to demand one

the link:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ight=coilovers

the quote:

 

hey bro, i believe that belongs in your gallery. Let me know if you want me to show how to post pics there. Got one of you standing next to your car? That would be cool too.

 

Seeing as my gallery is full to capacity....I'm pretty sure I've figured it out. Thanks though. No pics of me next to my car though....sorry dude.

Anyways....continue on with the thuggin, its cool

 

I like Randy M7 too, i think he is a nice guy still.

 

Wow! I guess the fan bois achieved their goals. The topic is suppressed and we are now talking about something else.

Ontherag (I assume that if you can make fun of my online name, I can make fun of yours): regardless if I have an agenda or not, Peter is a liar. I didn't make him lie. He achieved that feat all of his own.

RalliMINI and others: Are you saying that as long as you weren't lied to directly that it doesn't matter?

Mark: geezus, at least pretend to have some integrity. Even the vendors can be held accountable.

 

hey whats with the lame name callin? .... I aint no thug. I is gansta.

 

I have a problem with lying...especially vendors. But the fact that they never lied directly to the masses definitely knocks it down a level on the importance scale. He lied to chris, and for that i feel chris certainly deserves an explanation. We have no way (and no right IMHO) to know what Peter said to him via PM.....but the conversation happened.

What more needs to be done? You know Peter lied, you know what he said and we can all guess why he lied....what more do you want? I think that's something important to answer...because i don't see where any of this is going now that chris talked to Peter about the lie (the whole point of this thread).

 

Personal opinion: a lie is a lie. If someone lies to one or to a hundred, it is still a lie and does not lose importance. But I will agree to disagree on that.

However, you are right and I do agree with you, nothing more needs to be done. The silence speaks for itself.

 

I guess i just don't see the other side. If you're in a room of 100 people who are all just conversing, and you turn to the man next to you and lie. What would be the sense in you getting up on stage, directing all attention to you, and apologizing to everyone for lying to the one man that you were talking to? You didn't lie to anyone else, your lie didn't effect any of them or their lives.....i don't see why they deserve any kind of apology or explanation.

 

In that sense you are right. But if the man I lied to went and repeated that lie to the other 99 people in the room because he believed the lie, have I not now lied to everybody be transference? I know, it's a fine point that we might not agree on.

Anyway, I am just about done with this thread. As you said, there is nothing else to be done here. I will gladly discuss it further via PM with you, if you are so inclined, or you can discuss it on www.mininust.com. It is a lot more open on there without any censorship.

 

there's no lie here that I can see. what was posted and PM'ed was technically accurate (Korea != China or Taiwan). M7's intention of our expected inferrance is what's at question. A lie? Nope. Shady?

 

What was posted is accurate: Korea != China or Taiwan. What was PM'ed covered the entire continent: Asia. That covers Korea. North and South.

 

Well i wonder why one would listen to the middle man who transfered the lie. And did chris ever come to you before this thread was created to say "these weren't made in korea"? Maybe i missed it, but i dont think the lie was spread anywhere.

M7 said "not in china and no in taiwan".....if someone went on to believe what someone else told them.....they should've taken the time to explore the information provided to them in the vendor announcements before believing what they were told from someone else.

Again...if i stood up in front of the crowd and said "My name is Bob!" then went off and lied to the one gentleman and said "My name is Fred". If he went and told someone that my name was Fred.....they would say "no, he told us it was Bob" and the other guy would feel lied to and deserve an explanation. They should by no means just instantly believe that my name is Fred simply because one man told them so.