you talked to both about this specific topic?

 

OOOUCH! That hurts!

 

I am sorry for the confusion, but yes I did have phone conversations with both of them to my knowledge about the suspension. I have researched coil-overs for some time now trying to decide on which ones to buy. And personally I really liked m7's coil-overs, but I am not going to give money to a product that involves that much money when it is made in ANY of the ASIAN countries. I have no problem with the civilians of these countries, I just believe that my money will be better spent if it is given to suspenions that are 100% German or USA made. Just my view on things. I do not mean any flamming by these posts. I have supported m7 verry much in the past, but now when I find out that I was "technically" lied to over the phone I just get a bit of a sour taste in my mouth.

 

Please, not even close!!

Longboard

 

Lets look at it this way. You can pay in the $1k range for an asian made coilover setup, or you can get a German one, like Bilsteins, for over $2k.... Is the quality better? Probably. Is it so much better that it warrants a price tag that is double? I don't think so.

M7 went with an asian product to cut down on cost and therefore provide a coilover to the masses at a fair price point. They should not be bashed on for that. I can't comment on the part where peter or randy said they weren't made in asia because I wasn't the one talking to them. That is between them and you, Chris. There is no need to try and bash them for making a product that is well made based upon hearsay...

 

Chris as far as I know I've never talked to you about this . I know I've personally never said that they were not from Asia to ANYONE . Your original post mentions talking to Peter but now you say you are dissapointed in me ?

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

Thats how I see it. I am still saving up and will be getting them sometime next year.

 

What?

Bilstein can be had for about $1700. Just shop around: http://www.hopupracing.com/bipss9sumico.html

M7 Asian produced product is $1499.

Is the Bilstein quality better? Definitely. Does it warrant the extra $200 (not even close to double)? Absolutely.

And it is not between them and Chris. It is between them and the Mini community. What possible reason would he have to lie. Unless it's his long range master plan to defame M7.

 

BMW MINI Coilover.

It is branded as M7 product, a famous MINI tuner brand (same spec)

Front and Rear with 15 different settings and height adjustment

It upgrades the MINI's gokart ness,

and great for sport driving..



i knew it..ha! i have seen a thread on korean mini forum awhile back about someone making a coilover for minis.. and it looked similar to M7..

and if m7 wanted to cut their costs, they could have went to china or taiwan.. because korean labor, devlopment all them is WAY above chinese and them.. different league man.. different league..

 

Do you have an evidence to back up this claim or is it based on the country that manufactured the part?

 

I really don't have any problems with South Korea products at all.

 

Sorry, not as knowledgeable about automobiles as some in these forums. But, i also had the same thought when reading this thread. Can someone explain to me what exactly makes the Bilsteins better than the M7's? Is it the materials, the adjustability, the craftsmanship? Or are we just dealing with stereotypes here? I think it's rather funny that Randy was being "technical" as some put it. "Asia" covers a fairly vast portion of the Earth. I wouldn't necessarily assume all "Asian" products are inferior....

So, please getting back to my main point, can someone explain in "technical" terms how the Bilsteins are better than the M7's? (This is not a rhetorical question.)

 

Ok, Randy. I appologize for criticising you. I thought to my knowledge that I did. So, I probably ended up talking to Peter twice and did not remember doing so. This was back at the beginning of their release(coil-overs). So, again I am sorry for the confusion, but now since this is kind of settled Peter should step up to the plate.

 

Thank you for having my back on this. I would not like to cause m7 any problems. I will still buy some of their products, but this coil-over system is no longer in my top choices. Sorry guys. But, Peter(peter not randy...solved between me and randy) told me that this was no where near an Asian country. Now last time I checked my Globe, with my History Professor, and so on, Korea is an Asian country.

 

Do you guys mean as in what ways is a BMW better than a Kia?

I will refer you to Bilstein's website:

http://www.bilstein.com/tech.php?PHP...9b7b60afae3387

Proven on the track performance. Tested by many professional teams. Terms like "butt dyno" and "feels better over rail road crossings" is NOT part of their sales pitch.

And finally: TUV certified.

 

I was just making sure it wasnt based solely on country of origin....because asia has many high quality suspension companies as well

 

Agreed.

 

I just want to make sure it is known that I am Randy Webb, Webb Motorsports - and I don't have anything made in Asia! I am not the Randy from M7 (though I think he is a nice guy).

Randy (Webb)

 

WE know who you are

This is a huge topic...... I deal with many companies whose products are mfg in "Asia" several in EU and yes several made here in the US..... If the issue is quality.....that is one thing....... the other issue is not my concern. I hate it that we here in the US have given up so much of our mfg and (I do not need a lecture on Globalism, I could write a book) I favor products made in the US and then EU..... that being said, there are only 2 mfgs of both plasma and lcd displays and they are both Korean Samsung and LG.... what does this mean? .... not really sure ... home sick today with very little to do

 

I do agree with you Randy-of webb motorsports. He is a very nice guy and has helped very much in the past. I am sorry for confusing my facts that I have never talked to him about the coil-overs, but now I think Peter should chime in and own up to the fact he told me that they were no where near Asia. This is not a matter of countries as much it is a matter of truth and lies.

Peter...where are you?

 

Sure makes the Koni coil over kit (built in Holland) a real good deal for $1117.50

 

Huh....how does the information that they were built in korea change that?

 

My point was,

If some vendor would have taken appart a set of koni coil over kit,
change the color of the springs, anodize the struts a different color, change the adjuster..........

not disclose the manufacturer, and have a great marketing campaign,

They could have sold it for $1400 to $1900.


Marketing sells, but the end user sometimes ends up paying more

 

It adds nothing that has to do with the topic. Only interjects that a vendor is selling koni at a given price. Pretty low class way to do marketing by interjecting an ad like that in the middle of the thread. But it does match the tenor of the marketor...

 

I guess that makes sense....although not really at all

Firstly....M7 didn't just take another company's stuff apart and change the colors while marking up the price....

In korea, the original manufacturer is charging the equivalent of $1,801.03 US Dollars....not to mention the time and money it would take to ship over here.

M7 is offering the same part....without disclosing the producer prior....for $1,499.00

I'll do the math for you.... $1499 < $1801

So the whole marketing thing doesn't even play a part in the discussion concerning M7. Yes, they are selling another company's product.....duh, most MINI tuner companies do that to some extent, It's not like M7 has a whole manufacturing warehouse.

How has the value of Koni coilovers changed? Not at all. You probably just brought that up because you sell them? Which is sad The Konis are no more of a "good deal" now than they were 10 days ago when this thread hadn't been posted. What are you talking about