Lets no go out of topic, I am not trying to sell the Koni, that was just an example, I should have used another brand, one that we do no sell.

And by the way I like Peter and Randy (WMS)

It seems to me that when M7 came out with their coil overs,
a lot of people were talking about these like it was the best coil overs in the world.

Now the same customers are going to change their mind because Randy found out where they where manufactured.

What I want, is for peter to start bottling M7 washer fluid, so he can sell a lot of them.

 

If someone liked how the coilovers performed on their car.....why would it ever change based on the country they were made in And I highly doubt anyone thought the M7 coilovers were "the best in the world" as you said, simply based on the "not made in asia" comment. So again, i dont think this new information would hurt those opinions of the parts. I see the problem in them saying they weren't made in asia if they were (that would be lying).....but it really shouldn't have any affect on people's prior opinions on the performance of such coilovers. The problem seems to be with the lying, not with the actual product itself....rightly so.

So i still don't get where you're coming from, or what koni (or any other coilover kit) had to do with this? The M7 coilovers still perform like they did 10 days ago, and they still have the same adjustment options, spring rates, and finish that they had 10 days ago. The only new information that this thread provided was that they may have been untruthful in a phone conversation with a few customers.

 

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Originally Posted by RallyMINI

If someone liked how the coilovers performed on their car.....why would it ever change based on the country they were made in And I highly doubt anyone thought the M7 coilovers were "the best in the world" as you said, simply based on the "not made in asia" comment. So again, i dont think this new information would hurt those opinions of the parts. I see the problem in them saying they weren't made in asia if they were (that would be lying).....but it really shouldn't have any affect on people's prior opinions on the performance of such coilovers. The problem seems to be with the lying, not with the actual product itself....rightly so.

So i still don't get where you're coming from, or what koni (or any other coilover kit) had to do with this? The M7 coilovers still perform like they did 10 days ago, and they still have the same adjustment options, spring rates, and finish that they had 10 days ago. The only new information that this thread provided was that they may have been untruthful in a phone conversation with a few customers.

Thank you for hitting the nail on its head. That was my whole point in the beginning. It is just my preference to not put parts on my car from Asian contries. Thats it. I still think that m7's coil-overs are great, it is just my preferences. That is all.

 

This comment makes me wonder--what if you actually removed every part manufactured or assembled in Asia (and that's one really big continent) from your Mini. Would you still be able to drive it? And this is not a leading question--I don't know the answer, but I'd be surprised if there were absolutely no such parts in a Mini. I'd have to remove my tires and rims just for starters...

and Chris, you'd have to give up most of your mods as listed, wouldn't you?

 

It would seem likely....his mod list looks like most of it could easily be asian made

 

Megan rocks and they're made in Asia...

 

it is not where it is made that matters to me...... it is the quality ....... Samurai Swords come to mind

 

not to mention the parts of his car made in <gasp> South America. Someone should post the window sticker showing parts content

 

Ummm...Dr.Phil, the majority of my parts are from Alta, which is quite American. The only parts that I know of to not be made in the USA or I do not know their country of origin from Alta would be my fog lights. I believe that R53's are something like 60% German and 40% Brazilian and the R56 is 100% England/German. Isn't it? Please correct me if I am wrong here. And further more the only reason that I am in this discruntle is because of myself being quoted in the thread starter post number 1. Please refer to that. I did speak with Peter and he did swear to me up and down that it was no where near Asia. He said...and this is NOT quoted...that he would never sell a suspension from that area of the world. This is my only problem with the coil-overs as I have said numerous time now...not the fact of country of origin, but the LIE itself. I do have some stuff from Asia sure. This world is just too full of it to avoid 100% unless you have no limit on spending. But, IMO if I spend a hefty $1,500.00 then I myself would rather give it to USA or German made product instead of Asian...there is NO racism here it is just my point of view. What I prefer. I have nothing against their products. I just do not put them on my car if it can be avoided. And yes, I do have many money restaints as I am in the middle of college. Further more this should have no reflection of my knowledge about cars. Just because I am half the age of some of you on here does not discredit my knowledge nor do I think that I should loose any respect(what ever that may be from anyone on here) because of my age.

 

And hey, here is a challenge for you. Anyone. Take any part that can be made for the mini or any existing parts manufactured. Show me proof that the Asian version is of higher quality and can withstand more abuse than the USA or German versions. Then, get back to me about there being a problem with wanting USA and German products. All I want is the very best. And if Asian products are then hell I will purchase them, but until you can prove that to me as long as I can afford it, it will not be Asian made. Other wise I will save as long as it takes to buy the other products.

 

you'd be surprised how much of Alta/Perrin's stuff is made overseas. Most of it really.

it's 'furthermore' and 'lose respect'

 

That's a tall order chris. First off i wouldnt trust any tests unless they were in a proper test facility to reduce variables. And keep in mind that due to "finishing or completion" of a product many products can be started in china, vietnam, korea, malaysia, philipinnes, then the final half of assembly can be completed here in the states to be labeled as Made in the USA

 

I think we can skip bashing each other. As I see it, there are a two points that need to be addressed:

1. M7 for the longest time refused to disclose the country of origin. I, for one, am curious why. Were they afraid that "Made in Korea" would not stand up to the hype? Were they afraid of loosing sales? Or where they concerned that potential buyers would actually be able to research the product and make an informed decision? Sorry, but the reason for all that secrecy still escapes me.

2. Peter obviously LIED to Chris. I have never met Chris, but I have no reason to doubt what he says. I am sure I am not the only one who would like to hear an explanation. Not trying to explain his motives and maintaining silence speaks volumes.

 

My Megan exaust is junk.

 

Like SpiderX said...Nihonto!

 

I don't care for their exhaust either...so I made my own...

 

+1

 

PGT-Thank you for taking the role of my English professor. Since no one else has ever mispelled anything in their entire life...can you check this for me, I might need some help with these big words?

glrn13- that is exactly what kind of test and research that I am talking about.

 

google that and then talk about Asian quality..... do not mistake the current global economics for what has been and can be produced in Asia..... China was the largest economy in the world a few hundred years ago.....

 

Once again, I am not flaming anyone unless:
1.) they attack me first.
2.) they lie to me.

 

SpiderX- as I said in post number 61. If you can prove to me that an Asian product is the best, then I have no problem with it and I never have in the past. This is why I do have some Asian goods on my car. Because it is the Best. That is all I want. And if I were looking for a samurai sword then of corse it would come from Asia, whom ever the best may be that is who I would go with.

 

can the opposite be said for british or german products? products out of EU have not proven to be the best either just playing devil's advocate.

... there still is the peter said chris said issue to be answered to.

 

And for all of you who think that I am trying to take down m7...look at my sig: "m7 here I come"...I planned on buying more "toys" for my car, but funds were a little tighter than expected. And I still plan on buying those goods from them when the time comes.

 

chill out. please go back and re-read your post and think about the irony of demanding respect just funny...nothing more

 

No not at all...just addressing your implied assertion regarding the inferiority of Asian products...