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Old Aug 23, 2007 | 12:50 PM
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OK, I don't mind reposting this for the newcomers. Here is the original thread:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...76#post1470076

And here is post #25:

Originally Posted by ChrisMCS04
I personally talked to Peter and he told me it was no where near any asian countries(D***Ricers!!! :( ). I trust em'. Why would this not be yet another mind blowing product from m7?
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by LynnEl
As someone who is outside the argument - because I am not planning on getting coil-overs anytime soon --- I observe that, through 11 pages, there was not a single post that presented any facts, or even antidotal information to suggest that European built coil-overs are better or worse than Asian ones. If the vendor told a particular customer that it's product was not made in Asia and, in fact, it is, that was unethical, but between that customer and the vendor. If anyone else was lead to believe the product was not manufactured in Asia, when, in fact, it was, that too is a problem. But, the fact that the vendor does not publish that information at large means nothing. I don't recall MINI advertising anywhere that some of their engines are now being made in China.
There was a very interesting article in The Economist this week about the many subcontractors in China that are faceless to the end consumer. These shops make what ever the client wants usually to the clients specs. The article went on to talk about one show subcontactor that assembles shoes for multiple clients, Nike, Puma and Converse were mentioned, all on the same lines.

So in the end it's quite possible that this same Korean firm that is building coilovers to M7's specs could also be constructing for (insert favorite coil over here) as well. With so many players in todays global economy often times the consumer has no idea where each bit of product is made or assembled.

But I think we all pretty know this and I really added nothing.

You can get back to wondering what mozzarella has been smoking now...
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 12:56 PM
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I understand that. That was the private lie to THAT NAMmer. The lie was not repeated in the thread. In fact, the vendor conceded that they are made in Korea. My point is, simply, no one else (as far as can be found in the thread) was lied to. So, that fact that one wasn't told it was made in Korea, when that one didn't ask, doesn't mean anything. I am not suggesting M7 did nothing wrong to THAT poster. It would simply be different if M7 claimed at large that the product was not made in Korea.
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by LynnEl
...or even antidotal information ...
Now they're poisoning people?! This IS getting interesting!
For the record, I believe El meant 'anecdotal'.

customer: What type of meat is this?
server: It's not horse or goat.
customer: Uh, ok.
 
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Hey, gnatster, how come your sig says "MAD MOOOER CLUB"?
 

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Old Aug 23, 2007 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric_Rowland
Now they're poisoning people?! This IS getting interesting!
For the record, I believe El meant 'anecdotal'.

customer: What type of meat is this?
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customer: Uh, ok.
LMAO. That would be China, not Korea. You are, of course, in this instance, correct as to what word I meant.
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 01:02 PM
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are you high or something?
What's good for goose is good for the gander...
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mozzarella
I've never heard that about a MINI engine, could somebody with a made in China engine confirm this please.
This possibly could be what was being refered to..

From the NYTimes 2/17/06

China Seeking Auto Industry, Piece by Piece

Link to article http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/17/bu...524358&ei=5070

Note you will need to register, its free.
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 01:11 PM
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Hey, gnatster, how come your sig says "MAD MOOOER CLUB"?
Clean your glasses
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 01:12 PM
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LynnEl, you are misinterpreting and misinforming the MINI public with your China engine statements...

first off China is buying the brazilian plant, Tritec. Those engines are for the first gen and the current convertibles not the R56. Secondly, that doesnt mean that suddenly the parts are made in China. The new chinese owner is trying to move the complete factory to china but that hasnt been settled as of yet.

here's one of the articles

here's another one
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by glnr13
LynnEl, you are misinterpreting and misinforming the MINI public with your China engine statements...

first off China is buying the brazilian plant, Tritec. Those engines are for the first gen and the current convertibles not the R56. Secondly, that doesnt mean that suddenly the parts are made in China. The new chinese owner is trying to move the complete factory to china but that hasnt been settled as of yet.

here's one of the articles

here's another one
I AM NOT talking about that. Several people in NAM POSTED their window sticker for their R56 showing the engine was made in China. That is the 2007 R56. I am not misleading anyone.
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LynnEl
I AM NOT talking about that. Several people in NAM POSTED their window sticker for their R56 showing the engine was made in China. That is the 2007 R56. I am not misleading anyone.
sorry, my mistake. you wrote that so loosely that i couldnt tell what you were talking about. show me one of the several that you've encountered... i try not to trudge into the r56 forums
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by glnr13
sorry, my mistake. you wrote that so loosely that i couldnt tell what you were talking about. show me one of the several that you've encountered... i try not to trudge into the r56 forums
I am soliciting the information in a new thread, as I can't even find my post relating to it.
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 01:35 PM
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What ever I've been smoking I need some more quick.
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LynnEl
I understand that. That was the private lie to THAT NAMmer. The lie was not repeated in the thread. In fact, the vendor conceded that they are made in Korea. My point is, simply, no one else (as far as can be found in the thread) was lied to. So, that fact that one wasn't told it was made in Korea, when that one didn't ask, doesn't mean anything. I am not suggesting M7 did nothing wrong to THAT poster. It would simply be different if M7 claimed at large that the product was not made in Korea.
OK, this whole "privat lie" thing has been bothering me for a while. This is how I see it:

Example: Two friends are talking and one tells the other about some good tax advice he heard about from his "tax guy". The person hearing this information will probably say "Oh, thats cool, might try it" but all the while realizes that this is third party advice and not from an expert.

I am a C.P.A. and am held to a different standard. If in speaking, even in passing, I mention tax strategies or advice, the person hearing me will most likely take the position that this is good, reliable information. Being a professional and an expert in the field I am held to a higher standard when I speak.

Vendors are NO DIFFERENT. This issue is that the "alleged lie" came from a vendor about his OWN product. Being the vendor you should be held to a higher standard and realize that what you say about your product will be relied upon by others and most likely passed on. Isnt word of mouth still the best form of advertising?

This is quite different than a third party saying "Hey, I hear they are not made in Asia" than the vendor themselves making the statement.
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 03:43 PM
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This thread = retarded.

Post ******.
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 03:48 PM
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This thread = retarded.

Post ******.
That's just plain mean there are some fine NAMers who have posted on this thread.
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 03:51 PM
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Plus it disparages ******, some of whom are fine people.
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by goin440
This thread = retarded.

Post ******.
I think you are looking for the R56 forum.
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 04:03 PM
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Plus it disparages ******, some of whom are fine people.
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 05:23 PM
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Some of these posts are hilarious, but honestly, it's kind of sad how the tone of NAM in general has turned negative.
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 05:29 PM
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Some of these posts are hilarious, but honestly, it's kind of sad how the tone of NAM in general has turned negative.
Yes...and also sad that the tone can be attributed to a minority of visitors to the site. Perhaps its time for the membership of the site to vote some others off the island

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Old Aug 23, 2007 | 05:40 PM
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Perhaps its time for the membership of the site to vote some others off the island

Mark
Where do I vote?
 
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 05:50 PM
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Yes...and also sad that the tone can be attributed to a minority of visitors to the site. Perhaps its time for the membership of the site to vote some others off the island

Mark
Da Comrade! Let us rid ourselves of bad negative capitalistas. Decending opinion no good for mother land.
 
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All I can say, in this my second post to this thread of 324 posts, is that gnaster is one cool guy! Why? Because he reads The Economist! I was talking to my Personal Investing class today at UNM, and refered to a copy of the magazine/journal I had with me. I held it up and exclaimed with joy how a magazine had been named after me: The Economist.
Aside from that, this thread is truly a testament to who we are, and how we view the world. Just like my IATs, the variance swamps the mean.

keep at it, I got more popcorn...
 



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