so what are you saying here... we letting goaljnky drive?



jk


A Star in a reasonably priced car


Why don't NAM try to organize such an event?


Just a thought...

 

I have too much on my plate already. MOTD is already just around the "planning" corner.

If someone or a group wants to organize it I'll provide the planning forums on the site to help it happen. That said, the big thing, is to get vendors to commit to competing.

Mark

 

Mark,
I have run the course both ways....
1:30 counter clockwise
1:29 clock wise
we ran the farthest way @ 1.8miles
both times will have beaten the WORLD CUP CHALLENGE DRIVER
some will always find ways to make excuses

 

Don mentioned the LDG car being the fastest he'd seen. LDG said it was the twin to the MM car in the article. The article stated a slower lap time that Jan's two cars this past weekend (and Jan clarified the track layout making that excuse a moot point).

One thing's for sure....

lots more of this to come since I doubt many vendors on NAM would participate in a tuner shoot out (it could serve to tank their lucrative baubles and bolt-ons business)

 

In looking at the map:



I see lots of different configurations possible regardless of direction. Does anyone know what configuration was used in the EuroTuner article and if it the exactly the same configuration when these times were put down?

I'm not trying to debate or belittle the times shown for anyone. What I think is important is that they are made under the same conditions/configuration to be able to be compared fairly. Personally if I know how the times are to be compared that gives me insight into both the driver and the prep of the car.

Mark

 

This is true and RMW is the only vendor who is constantly challenging the other tuners. None of the others seem to believe in their products or abilities to step up.

 

I agree this IMO is not about objectivity and empirical/clinical data.... this is about my d!*k is bigger than yours...... (sorry but true)..... this is an old fashioned pissing contest..... two guys bragging... one comes out on top.... both will go away with their friends in tact and all will have fun watching the fight..... I do think that there should be open competition to all comers and Jan and Don are onlty two of the participants.... make it an event for all comers..... there is way too much structure being batted about..... we are smart enough to know when something is grossly unfair.....

 

Since Jan originally posted repeatedly how he could personally beat Roach on MINI Nuts and Don here and on Mini Nuts, I'd think he would demand to drive, and certainly not use a hired gun.

Especially since they are now claiming that he drove the exact same course as an accomplished driver with tons of experience and beat his time, by a huge margin, around 2 seconds.

It could be really interesting, although we haven't heard from Don.

One other critical variable will be the type of track chosen. From shorter with highly technical sections with no long straights to a relatively wide open venue.

Does anyone remember m7 Peter's timed comparison (with a Subie?) that was talked about forever before he finally ran?

 

LOL this is still going?

this should be over... Jan never said.. "I am the greatest driver ever!" or anything as such.. he simply pointed out he set a record that no one had beaten to date...

Then LDG and Don came in and talked crap like they do on every RMW thread... as if it was irrelevant and wasnt worth speaking of... sighting they had already done this that and the other thing.. and read more books and could spell better...

Jan says fine come out and let's see what you run in your car...

It turns out a world cup driver already had... and was slower than Jan..

so Either Jan should be Driving professionally cause he's that good....
or
The kinda Power RMW cars are making is helping with the difference to get them around the track that much faster...

And please dont start with the "power doesnt matter on the road couse" stuff... cuase it does help... allot on real road courses... even Lime Rock Park.. considerably smaller than SOW, power helps... not as much as having the right car.. but if you have both you are gold... then you just need a good driver....

honestly with a time of world cup driving 1:31.. what would happen if Jan built a "race car"...

 

Tuls, in all due respect... you are way to mature for the way this thread is going.... we want a duel.....

Jan hung it out,... Don took a shot.... Jan said "in your face" or something like that and the rest of us (maybe just me) want to see "blood" (figuratively of course).....

 

Exactly, because people forget that Sean and Jan were driving their daily drivers at the track with seats, stereos, and all of the other creature comforts that are on the GPs

 

Let's see if Gnatster, who seems to be pretty good on the track, thinks that a relative track novice (meaning less than a handful of events), could go out and demolish the track time set by any accomplished competitor (such as Brian Smith) who has lots of seat time, understands vehicle dynamics, is driving a well sorted car, and has proven his ability.

Here's a hint - no matter how fast the car is, unless it's been fully sorted out, and is driven by someone with lots of successful experience, there's no way it could beat a much more experienced driver in a lesser car.

For example, Waylon has driven my car on track, and he said it was one of the fastest, if not the fastest MINI he'd driven, certainly faster than his race car.

But if I had to race him, me in my car, and him in his "less powerful" race car, he'd kill me because of his sheer experience level as well his ability.

Therefore, I seriously doubt that the track was in exactly the same configuration to qualify for the magical record breaking time, compared to Brian Smith's time.

That takes nothing away from Jan's achievements. But some of the claims are approaching m7 levels.

 

LMAO! oh right sorry...

LET'S GET READYYYYYY TO RUUUMMMBLLLLLLLLLE!!!

 

that was low

 

Somebody was there when that MINI ran SOW. All they have to do is show the configuration.

 

Jim,

Why are you DRAGGING EVERYONE ELSE INTO Don's fight?
this isn't about them
I am sure Brian Smith would wax my time in MY car... I never said he couldn't.... I am saying our cars are going faster than what people have ever seen at SOW
Why is this so difficult to understand?

 

Jan,

You missed my point.

I was simply saying that the claim that you beat Brian Smith's time on the exact same configuration is stretching all credibility limits.

I'm sure the car is awesome. Remember, I saw some dyno results personally. Tim Luther is beside himself with satisfaction.

On the 3rd of Dec., Tim and I have a track day. I can't wait to see how his car pulls, since his whp was a bit higher than mine, although the torque curve was a bit different.

Also, I apologize for the m7 comment. That was going too far...

 

That is the spirit

 

Select a track, then each bring their best MINI and their best driver. No more excuses.
Lets the fun begin.

 

All that would have to be done is a time attack. There would be no other cars on the track and the best time would win, run what you brung.

 

I think what horn said about seat time is way to true. you see people posting how they past corvettes and M3's all the time. Waylon past me at CMP a few months ago. That was the first time i'd ever been past by a MINI. It hurt but i had to let him go by.

 

Heartland Park, Topeka......... center of the country - neutral ground. Good fast track, plenty of room for all comers, no one already knows the track except the locals...............I'm sure I could get plenty of volunteers from the KC MINI club to help out, so........................let's get it on! Put up or shut up!

 

This is succinct and dead on.....

there must be a reality show for the Speed channel in this

 

so how do you explain my 3 days of track time then?
why am I able to run times other's can't?

1. either I am the next racing sensation (highly doubt it)
2. my car is simply much faster than others (will bet on this one)
3. combination of both
4. or you simply have a bias and refuse to use common sense in the equation

 

OH OH ... I PICK #1!!! WOOT!
cause if yer not first.. yer last! YAY!