I'd also recommend reading post #42 & the posts that arose to a wholly different outcome, which was conveniently overlooked, as it didn't fit the agenda here.

That's assuming anyone actually wants to hear another viewpoint from direct experience. I realize that's a big assumption with this lynch party.

Of course, I mean that in the nicest possible way...

 

the post was asking about dkstones coments and no one else but I am sure you missed that

 

Nope, he said he had said it all.

But you wanted to pile on.

 

should go backand read the way the posts were laid out but that wouldnt fit your agenda

 

I did.

At #167 he said he had said it all.

At #173, you decided to add to it.

The only agenda I have is I hate it when one side continues to throw crap on the other, when the first side is working from a crumbling foundation. In this case, the whole basis for this thread is seriously in question, as any experienced track driver knows that RMW did not set a "magical" time that broke previous MINI barriers.

Not because the cars might not have been fast. For all I know they may very well be the fastest ever.

But because no one with three track days worth of seat time could have done it. I refer you to the part in this thread about Waylon blasting by two drivers with technically faster cars. One those drivers is actually an instructor. The difference was seat time and experience, as well as ability. For example - see post #146.

I don't care how fast the car is, aggressively smooth and balanced is the fastest way around, and no novice knows how to do that after three events, let alone knowing the apexes, track-outs, braking zones and all the rest that come from experience.

RMW could not possibly have been faster than Brian Smith (@1:31) if the track layout was identical. So the entire 2 RMW equipped cars break the magical 1:30 barrier at Streets of Willow claim is totally bogus. Period.

Hype and blind acceptance of it is alive and well in this thread.

Flame on, fanbois...

 

this is a failure of logic of the highest proportion. RMW stated two cars beat the best time for a MINI. Jan was driving one (a novice with big power under the hood), the other RMW car was driven by a more seasoned track vet with a lower-powered car (which Jan made clear).

others who were there have commented here that those times were accurate..hardly blind acceptance.

 

I personally have to take an objection to the dismissive attitude towards novice drivers.

That is too general a statement. I only have a couple of HPDEs under my belt. At both those I routinely got better times than guys with a lot more experience running in more advanced groups in similar cars. I understand that some find apexes, track-outs, braking zones and all the rest daunting, it is not rocket science. And if I can do it, so can someone else. Just my opinion.

 

I was there and saw the posted timesheets that revealed that 2 MINIs went under 1:30, or if you prefer, broke the magical 1:30 barrier.

Redline posts the times for their track days, http://www.redlinetrackevents.com/timing.html, so when they are posted for November 16 everyone can see that Jan was not making up the lap times.

 

Pot callin' the kettle from where I see it. You could easily be thought of as a LDG fanboi from the posts I've read. What is your agenda and relationship anyway?

What I don't get is that you didn't seem to have an unfavorable opinion of what went on at the Atlanta tuning session that you attended?

 

Ya'll are like a bunch of old hags...same crap over and over again..

The offer is out there to Don, Peter, George, Waylen, Randy, Adam, Chad, Steve and Brad. John, and any other vendor I may have missed...So far Jan is the only one willing to put his reputation on the line.

Show up on the agreed upon date (thats not been set yet) at the agreed upon tracl (thats not been picked yet) with some basic ground rules and drive. May the best "tuner"" win

 

I'll chip in $50 to fund this 'shootout'. Who'll join me?

 

I am in. I will even pay for my own track time if I can come and drive my own car.

 

I'm for track time and an extra $50.

 

Maybe we should start a new "Vendor Track Challenge" thread once this idea gets going....?

 

Here is a thought: Is there a HPDE even at AMVIV? Would the East coast guys be willing to come out and represent? I know Jan will be game. All parties could even write it off as a business expense.

 

The fact that the RMW group was able to achieve these amazing results is consistent with their performance. They are certainly on the fast track to success. This was also the case with their change in marketing from "the power is in the parts not the tune" theme of the Dragon era. At the end of July, Jan contacted me several times about doing tuning for him. He had said the he had others working on this for him but as yet they had not delivered. We had a couple good conversations about the business, Jan is polite, but I had to decline simply because I have too many other large projects underway. There was no disagreement that any high flow head should yield the high numbers that we had achieved with a proper tune. To my knowledge, at this time RMW did not have their own tuning software. Fast forward a month or two and now RMW has the software and in an incredibly short time frame has been able to develop calibrations that his promoters say have me and other tuners worried about the competition. There is some truth in that but for different reasons. The fact that it took me and others hundreds of hours to come up with a tune that delivered an acceptable level of performance as well as no adverse conditions with OBD as well as all the miles of testing through many drive cycles to do it in this short amount of time for many varying configurations including modified cars, he must be a genius.

 

 

so, your beef comes down to 'he can't be smarter than me'?? and/or you are concerned for the well-being of owners who have RMW products?

 

UNPOSSIBLE!

 

I know; I was there but didn't want to post his information for him. I can't wait for the spring to get here! See you there...

mb

Edit - and I'll throw this into the mix - I've had excellent experiences at both DMH and Helix, who are friends with and install RMW parts! Now the real interesting thing is in bigdog's post above.

 

some pepole have an aptitude and some don't... I have taught, tennis, guitar and several other skills physical and mental and both.... as well as trained hundreds of sales people over the years... some people jump off the charts with aptitude and some people never get it....

Jan has been knee deep in the development of the Mini for years... (see El Diablito) he has not gained this knowledge over the past few months...but over several years at least as long or longer than LDG..... he is applying all of his considerable knowledge gained about the Mini power plant to tuning... and he will continue to get better... he is not tuning Ferraris etc... he is Mini centric.... I have tried to remain neutral in this as I have a lot of respect for you John but perpetrating this line of thinking in my opinion is without merit and is just BS.

(read "Blink" and for that matter I could give you a bibleography)

you know something I learned about Jan at the Atlanta tune session is that he has well over 1000 hrs helo time (helicopter) I don't know how many of you realize the complexity of flying a helicopter but stand on you head and juggle... the fact that Jan can drive is no surprise to me.

I am not a Jan "butt boy" but give the guy credit for the passion and accomplishments... RMW is relatively new but El Diablito has been around for years. I could go on and on about companies who have dismissed brash "newcomers" and disregarded them only to be buried.... Detroit dismissed the Japanese need I go on.

 

so no shoot out?

 

Wow.. thank you spider... for just being willing to take the time to write something like this...

In this world of political correctness it seems people just don't accept natural born talent anymore...(everyone is "equal") I didn't wanna get into it any more... so I just didn't bother... cause like you I didn't wanna be labeled a fan boi...

anywho... again... well said...

 

If there is a shoot out, I am putting my money on Jan "The Magic Man" Brueggeman, cause he likes to party. (He also likes his Jesus in a tuxedo t shirt with big wings singing lead for Lynyrd Skynyrd)

 

LMAO!

ABRACADABRA!