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Old Nov 26, 2018 | 07:29 PM
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Wondering if the ECM's been flashed - how to tell?

I bought a 2011 MCS and I swear that this thing seems to pull much too aggressively for a 1.6L "stock" ECM. I know my F56's had its ECM flashed being that I did it, but I swear to you that the R56 just feels... "not stock."

Is there any way, via the OBDII port, pulling the ECM out ( I thought that these were not able to be flashed via the OBD port but I could be wrong ) that I can tell if this thing has been massaged at all?

And if not - holy hell I cant imagine what it would be like if it was.



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Old Nov 27, 2018 | 12:02 PM
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R56 can be flashed via OBD port --- that's the process used by the old AccessPort. Your Mini dealer should be able to determine whether or not your ECU has been flashed, but it will probably cost you a service fee.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2018 | 04:08 PM
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A quick and easy way to give you an idea if you have dash command or torque. Plug it in and drive it and check some of your parameters. Boost for the most part, should be increased over stock if it’s been tuned. Without reading the ECU, that’s one the easier ways that comes to mind. Factory boost levels on them should be right around 11 psi. Mine for example, with a tune hits 22psi.
im sure somebody has another smarter way to tell, but that’s the cheap and easy way to make an educated guess.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2018 | 04:22 PM
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Also, have you looked under the hood to see if it has a tuner box (like JB+ or NM Power Module) hooked up to it? They trick the ECU into making more boost for more power. I haven’t had one, but have seen a few, I think they plug into the MAF & MAP sensors. It may have something like that on it too. They seem to be pretty popular because they are cheaper than a remap and do make some power. And can be removed if they have warranty concerns.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2018 | 04:46 PM
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I can't comment on the flash, but that's a great pic. Where was it taken, I assume CO?
 
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Old Nov 27, 2018 | 06:33 PM
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I actually just was at the dealer - what a bummer. Issue is that they are 4 hours to the "local" Denver dealer, and 4 hours to the other "local" dealer is in Salt Lake City.

I didnt think about the boost levels, that's actually a great idea. I also checked to see if there were any goodies like the JB4 installed anywhere and I cant for the life of me find anything. Take that w/ a grain of salt being that I look into the cupboard and see nothing, she looks and 30 min later there's a feast. :p

And yes - the image was taken about 30 min from the house along Highway 141 just south of Grand Junction. If you get a chance to drive it, its a beautiful drive that has many many things to look at, corners to carve, there's the http://gatewayautomuseum.com/ that you can visit, and if you continue on it will take you into deep SW Colorado.

Side note, in Gateway, there's a small quicky mart that has the best ice cream cookie sandwiches. We always stop in when out enjoying the ride. Oh yea, this road was featured in one of the Grand Tour's episodes last season. If interested you should look it up being that they really get some awesome views of the highway and all that it has to offer.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2018 | 02:19 PM
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Read it at the dealership or get a reader that shows Boost levels ( like p3gauges) and compare to stock.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2018 | 04:14 PM
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Was going to take it out this evening but looks like the misses has other plans. WIll have to check it out later this week.

And I have the TORQUE app and a BT OBDII reader which should do the trick.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2018 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaanda
Was going to take it out this evening but looks like the misses has other plans. WIll have to check it out later this week.

And I have the TORQUE app and a BT OBDII reader which should do the trick.
That should work just fine for that
 
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Old Nov 28, 2018 | 05:15 PM
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Some company's
will label it on the ECM
usually with like a label maker
the company's
that do label them
will put the octane its tuned at
what stage
an name of the buyer
 
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Old Nov 29, 2018 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by mcaanda
I bought a 2011 MCS and I swear that this thing seems to pull much too aggressively for a 1.6L "stock" ECM. I know my F56's had its ECM flashed being that I did it, but I swear to you that the R56 just feels... "not stock."

Is there any way, via the OBDII port, pulling the ECM out ( I thought that these were not able to be flashed via the OBD port but I could be wrong ) that I can tell if this thing has been massaged at all?

And if not - holy hell I cant imagine what it would be like if it was.



Thanks!
I take it that this is your first MINI?
Well, welcome to the wonderful and fun world of MINI Coopers! And nice picture

A few quick points about these cars. The Second Generation (Gen II) of the MINI Cooper had two engines - the N14 and N18. Yours has the N18; a much better engine than the N14. The N14 can be flashed through the OBDII port; the N18 can not.

I currently have a 2012 S (N18, like yours) and previously had a 2007 (N14). While the factory rated the engines almost the same (179 vs 182 hp, I believe), my 2012 pulls like crazy. It feels like it has a lot more power than the difference in numbers would imply. BTY - That is call the “Butt Dino” measurement of HP. My understanding is that the N18 has a different variable cam timing on it that make the power come on better in the N18.

Both engines have the same boost - 10 psi. Now, that is 10 psi gage and would be 24ish psi absolute at sea level. You would probably see about 22 psi in CO there. If you have a ScanGage, it will read out in absolute pressure. An oddity with the N18 engine (maybe the ECU) is that, even though the boost is read in absolute pressure, the OBD port reading starts with the barometric pressure; no vacuum readings. But also, this gives you your reference point to add the boost pressure to.

Remember, also, these engines have an “over-boost mode” for 10 sec. This adds another 2.5 psi to the overall boost, for a total of 12.5 psi. FYI - This results in the engine output of about 195 HP.

Actually, I am glad you posted this, because I wondered the same thing about the power my car was making. Back in the day, when you bought a new car, there was the thought that you wanted to get a car built on Tuesday or Wednesday. A Monday or Friday car could be really bad (Monday was worker hangover day and Friday the workers are just watching the clock for the weekend). Now with robots doing so much of the work, that isn’t likely any more. But that didn’t stop me from wondering if my MINI was a Wednesday car.

Hope this helps.
And Enjoy The Boost
 
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Old Dec 1, 2018 | 10:06 AM
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Win some loose some & still dont know

Boost -

Will have to get out there and see if there's a tag on it. Not pulled it yet, but good call.

Eddie -

Not sure if this is a Tuesday or Wednesday car yet - funny you mention that being that the misses said the same thing just the other day. This is actually our 3rd MINI, we have a 2 MCS's a 2015 ( mine - thunder gray ) and a 2016 ( hers - pepper white )





I took the R56 out for a walk yesterday and had the app running - logging all the goodies that I thought I wanted / needed only to open it this morning and find that none were in the final file.

But, I did watch while I was out and about. In 3rd gear at WOT, I did see somewhere in the neighborhood of 14-15 psi ( max values ) at about 6400 RPM. They did seem to bounce back to about 12 which leads me to wonder if there was overpressurization and boost spikes during this run. The max tags were set on the dials, so this is where I came up with the numbers. I'll have to look back into it to see where to change the logging settings. I really wished that TORQUE would update the GUI. It looks like something out of the late 90's. Heck, I'd even pay for it again if that was an option. I guess I'll have to look into others that may be more visually appealing - but I digress...

All runs were done at 5300' in elevation which per some online calculators that I've run across show a negative 2 PSI difference as compared to sea level. So, at SL, pressures would have been reading +/- 14 PSI w/ a max value of 16-17 PSI which makes me lean more to the possibility that it "has" been tuned? I think I'll take Boost's advice and pop that critter out of its holder and see if there's not something written / stuck to the side. I'll post some pics of what I find here later this afternoon.

Thanks everybody, stay tuned ( see what I did there )
 
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Old Dec 1, 2018 | 11:29 AM
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I’m thinking that your max values there may have been a momentary overboosting, as it will go 15 psi or so for a brief period of time. Since it is an R56 with the Bosch(I think) ECU, Another thing to check for even if there is no stickers on it, would be to inspect the casing of the ECU to see it it looks to have been cracked open or drilled. I believe in order tune these cars, including my ‘12 R60, you have to jump a couple of pins in there, so the case has to be opened up to tune it, as this model cannot be flashed through the OBD2 port.
If there isn’t a tune and you want one, Mariokart is the dude to talk to! Love my RPM tune!
 

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Boost -

Will have to get out there and see if there's a tag on it. Not pulled it yet, but good call.

Eddie -

Not sure if this is a Tuesday or Wednesday car yet - funny you mention that being that the misses said the same thing just the other day. This is actually our 3rd MINI, we have a 2 MCS's a 2015 ( mine - thunder gray ) and a 2016 ( hers - pepper white )





I took the R56 out for a walk yesterday and had the app running - logging all the goodies that I thought I wanted / needed only to open it this morning and find that none were in the final file.

But, I did watch while I was out and about. In 3rd gear at WOT, I did see somewhere in the neighborhood of 14-15 psi ( max values ) at about 6400 RPM. They did seem to bounce back to about 12 which leads me to wonder if there was overpressurization and boost spikes during this run. The max tags were set on the dials, so this is where I came up with the numbers. I'll have to look back into it to see where to change the logging settings. I really wished that TORQUE would update the GUI. It looks like something out of the late 90's. Heck, I'd even pay for it again if that was an option. I guess I'll have to look into others that may be more visually appealing - but I digress...

All runs were done at 5300' in elevation which per some online calculators that I've run across show a negative 2 PSI difference as compared to sea level. So, at SL, pressures would have been reading +/- 14 PSI w/ a max value of 16-17 PSI which makes me lean more to the possibility that it "has" been tuned? I think I'll take Boost's advice and pop that critter out of its holder and see if there's not something written / stuck to the side. I'll post some pics of what I find here later this afternoon.

Thanks everybody, stay tuned ( see what I did there )
Nice stable of cars there.

To calculate boost you shouldn’t be adjusting for sea level. Your boost is just the difference between atmospheric pressure and your total pressure. In other words, your boost numbers of 14 - 15 psi, are what the boost actually is. That is a bit high, but as MrGrumpy said, it may be an overshoot.
 
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Old Dec 5, 2018 | 12:38 PM
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Damn clips

OK - got out there to the garage to pull the ECU and had to pull the whole damn bracket with it. Seems that there's these little clips that are obscenely hard to see EVEN with the whole bracket assembly out of the car. Im going to blame it on the fact that its cold out for my denseness. Needless to say they're not going cause this issue in the future should the ECU need to be pulled.



Once it finally came out, this is what I happened to find, which says...well, nothing other then "18."







Being that there's almost no scratches on the case other then the ones that I made, the evil plastic latches were still there and there's only 30'some thousand miles on the car I'd think that the likelihood of this having an ECU tune would seem pretty low.

I think that the only way at this point as suggested would be to take it into the dealer and ask ( which isn't really a possibility ) or send it in to one of the vendors here and force feed some go fast code into it.
 
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Old Dec 5, 2018 | 01:37 PM
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From the numbers you got and the fact that the ECU looks pretty much untampered with, I would say that your car has the factory map on it still. There’s nothing wrong with that, as you said, it pulls like a Wednesday car! Good deal! Now if you want more...that’s doable. You will get a lot of opinions on tuning from different folks here. But I love my RPM tune and highly recommend contacting Mariokart for your tuning needs.
 
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