R56 Rebel flag roof graphic?
[quote=Robin Casady;2402323]Fire bombed by the NAACP? I don't think so. You completely misunderstand the NAACP. That is sort of like saying, "Beaten with axe handles by a roving band of intellectuals." 
one time my professor chased me out of class with a broom stick...does that count?
one time my professor chased me out of class with a broom stick...does that count?
http://www.aestheticreations.net/ can probably make the roof decal and OP can probably get some bumper stickers to go with it at:
Bumprstickrz.com: redneck bumper stickers Redneck Bumper Stickers ... warning tailgaters: driver chews tobacco bumper sticker · real men weld bumper sticker · hemorrhoid bumper sticker ...
Bumprstickrz.com: redneck bumper stickers Redneck Bumper Stickers ... warning tailgaters: driver chews tobacco bumper sticker · real men weld bumper sticker · hemorrhoid bumper sticker ...
, very insightful thoughts too, thats just a great use of sarcasm. Still its good to see you try to add something to the thread besides personal attacks on me (because of other threads none the less). Someone needs to stop taking forum discussions so personal. 
Now lets get back to the actual topic at hand.
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Which flag more represents slavery, the Union or Confederate?
Point of fact:
On Jan 1, 1863 Lincoln issued the final Emancipation Proclamation officially freeing all slaves within the states or parts of states in rebellion and NOT in the Union. Leaving one million slaves in Union territory in bondage...
The thirteenth Amendment passed in January of 1865 abolishing slavery in the United States.
Point of fact:
On Jan 1, 1863 Lincoln issued the final Emancipation Proclamation officially freeing all slaves within the states or parts of states in rebellion and NOT in the Union. Leaving one million slaves in Union territory in bondage...
The thirteenth Amendment passed in January of 1865 abolishing slavery in the United States.
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It's agreed that the OP can put the Confederate flag on his car's roof, if that's his thing. It's also agreed that there are various companies that are capable of making such a graphic.
I have two questions, though:
Do you have insurance against vandalism?
What's your deductible?
I have two questions, though:
Do you have insurance against vandalism?
What's your deductible?
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Come on Nathan they are all just freely exchanging ideas and opinions, eventually people will get tired of the battle of wills and move on. Bet the OP never dreamed it would take off like this. But to add my 2 cents MOD your Mini anyway you like. As a former Marine I put my life on the line to defend anyone's right to freedom of expression no matter who disagreed with that persons choice.
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If you find TN inhospitable, come on down to AL. I'm a Civil War reenactor. We play both sides, but there is a definite affinity for being Confederate. The battle flag represents the independence, courag, and idealism of those soldiers. Historically, not many owned slaves and not many were fighting to preserve slavery. They were fighting for the same principles articulated by the Anti-federalists, like George Mason, whose fears about unchecked federal encroachment have been sadly proven prescient.
Of course, since we stopped teaching civics and allowed history to become politically correct, we have raised several generations of citizens ignorant of these facts.
It has been observed that American national identity is not sustained in the same manner as other nationalities. Others have a strong sense of identity often built around their genetic similarities, their particular geography and culture. They understand they are one even before they learn the stories of their heritage.
Americans, on the other hand, learn that we are a nation by learning our national stories, our mythology. Devalue civics instruction and you loosen the bonds that hold us together. Stop teaching about the Constitution, the move westward, our heros and heroines and we're just a bunch of strangers at a bus stop--no shared sense of community. Is it any wonder that we cannot seem to see beyond our own short-term interests to the good of the nation? Instead of self-reliance, we are teaching entitlement. Instead of the importance of private property as fundamental to individual liberty, we are teaching that private charity should be replaced by government reallocation of wealth, which makes no one free and everyone under the thumb of an oligarchy. Those concerned about the Patriot Act ought to look deeper; the loss of privacy is a gnat bite to liberty's elbow when compared to the loss of property rights.
Add to this the movement (intentional or not) that finds no heroics in America--only fault and guilt--and there is a real chance that we will Balkanize regardless of whether we maintain a political aristocracy in Washington, D.C. What current education in civics fails to recognize is that no other nation in history has as consistently self-corrected in the direction of its founding principles. That is what has made America a beacon in the world and why we stand into so much criticism--it's disappointment when we aren't as perfect in execution as they hope we will be.
So, when we talk about making the Stars and Bars a symbol of hatred, we're actually talking about our general social failure to teach all our citizens their national history as impartially and objectively as careful scholarship will allow.
If you've read this far, my bottom line is, get the flag. Strike a blow for liberty by pushing us back towards the idea that Americans cherish the right to speak freely in any political voice above all.
Of course, since we stopped teaching civics and allowed history to become politically correct, we have raised several generations of citizens ignorant of these facts.
It has been observed that American national identity is not sustained in the same manner as other nationalities. Others have a strong sense of identity often built around their genetic similarities, their particular geography and culture. They understand they are one even before they learn the stories of their heritage.
Americans, on the other hand, learn that we are a nation by learning our national stories, our mythology. Devalue civics instruction and you loosen the bonds that hold us together. Stop teaching about the Constitution, the move westward, our heros and heroines and we're just a bunch of strangers at a bus stop--no shared sense of community. Is it any wonder that we cannot seem to see beyond our own short-term interests to the good of the nation? Instead of self-reliance, we are teaching entitlement. Instead of the importance of private property as fundamental to individual liberty, we are teaching that private charity should be replaced by government reallocation of wealth, which makes no one free and everyone under the thumb of an oligarchy. Those concerned about the Patriot Act ought to look deeper; the loss of privacy is a gnat bite to liberty's elbow when compared to the loss of property rights.
Add to this the movement (intentional or not) that finds no heroics in America--only fault and guilt--and there is a real chance that we will Balkanize regardless of whether we maintain a political aristocracy in Washington, D.C. What current education in civics fails to recognize is that no other nation in history has as consistently self-corrected in the direction of its founding principles. That is what has made America a beacon in the world and why we stand into so much criticism--it's disappointment when we aren't as perfect in execution as they hope we will be.
So, when we talk about making the Stars and Bars a symbol of hatred, we're actually talking about our general social failure to teach all our citizens their national history as impartially and objectively as careful scholarship will allow.
If you've read this far, my bottom line is, get the flag. Strike a blow for liberty by pushing us back towards the idea that Americans cherish the right to speak freely in any political voice above all.
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If you find TN inhospitable, come on down to AL. I'm a Civil War reenactor. We play both sides, but there is a definite affinity for being Confederate. The battle flag represents the independence, courag, and idealism of those soldiers. Historically, not many owned slaves and not many were fighting to preserve slavery. They were fighting for the same principles articulated by the Anti-federalists, like George Mason, whose fears about unchecked federal encroachment have been sadly proven prescient.
Of course, since we stopped teaching civics and allowed history to become politically correct, we have raised several generations of citizens ignorant of these facts.
It has been observed that American national identity is not sustained in the same manner as other nationalities. Others have a strong sense of identity often built around their genetic similarities, their particular geography and culture. They understand they are one even before they learn the stories of their heritage.
Americans, on the other hand, learn that we are a nation by learning our national stories, our mythology. Devalue civics instruction and you loosen the bonds that hold us together. Stop teaching about the Constitution, the move westward, our heros and heroines and we're just a bunch of strangers at a bus stop--no shared sense of community. Is it any wonder that we cannot seem to see beyond our own short-term interests to the good of the nation? Instead of self-reliance, we are teaching entitlement. Instead of the importance of private property as fundamental to individual liberty, we are teaching that private charity should be replaced by government reallocation of wealth, which makes no one free and everyone under the thumb of an oligarchy. Those concerned about the Patriot Act ought to look deeper; the loss of privacy is a gnat bite to liberty's elbow when compared to the loss of property rights.
Add to this the movement (intentional or not) that finds no heroics in America--only fault and guilt--and there is a real chance that we will Balkanize regardless of whether we maintain a political aristocracy in Washington, D.C. What current education in civics fails to recognize is that no other nation in history has as consistently self-corrected in the direction of its founding principles. That is what has made America a beacon in the world and why we stand into so much criticism--it's disappointment when we aren't as perfect in execution as they hope we will be.
So, when we talk about making the Stars and Bars a symbol of hatred, we're actually talking about our general social failure to teach all our citizens their national history as impartially and objectively as careful scholarship will allow.
If you've read this far, my bottom line is, get the flag. Strike a blow for liberty by pushing us back towards the idea that Americans cherish the right to speak freely in any political voice above all.
Of course, since we stopped teaching civics and allowed history to become politically correct, we have raised several generations of citizens ignorant of these facts.
It has been observed that American national identity is not sustained in the same manner as other nationalities. Others have a strong sense of identity often built around their genetic similarities, their particular geography and culture. They understand they are one even before they learn the stories of their heritage.
Americans, on the other hand, learn that we are a nation by learning our national stories, our mythology. Devalue civics instruction and you loosen the bonds that hold us together. Stop teaching about the Constitution, the move westward, our heros and heroines and we're just a bunch of strangers at a bus stop--no shared sense of community. Is it any wonder that we cannot seem to see beyond our own short-term interests to the good of the nation? Instead of self-reliance, we are teaching entitlement. Instead of the importance of private property as fundamental to individual liberty, we are teaching that private charity should be replaced by government reallocation of wealth, which makes no one free and everyone under the thumb of an oligarchy. Those concerned about the Patriot Act ought to look deeper; the loss of privacy is a gnat bite to liberty's elbow when compared to the loss of property rights.
Add to this the movement (intentional or not) that finds no heroics in America--only fault and guilt--and there is a real chance that we will Balkanize regardless of whether we maintain a political aristocracy in Washington, D.C. What current education in civics fails to recognize is that no other nation in history has as consistently self-corrected in the direction of its founding principles. That is what has made America a beacon in the world and why we stand into so much criticism--it's disappointment when we aren't as perfect in execution as they hope we will be.
So, when we talk about making the Stars and Bars a symbol of hatred, we're actually talking about our general social failure to teach all our citizens their national history as impartially and objectively as careful scholarship will allow.
If you've read this far, my bottom line is, get the flag. Strike a blow for liberty by pushing us back towards the idea that Americans cherish the right to speak freely in any political voice above all.
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you just made my day!
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It looks like the OP took off on you guys. It's quite possible that TC decided to just wait for the smoke to clear because the immediate uproar that started in this thread as a result of his innocent question was something that TC was completely unprepared for.
This is the internet. On the internet, we cannot see each other's faces and because we are not required to look others in the eye, people are more liberal and more vocal here than in any other form of communication in the history of man. As a result, people are often more passionate about any given subject than they might be if the conversation were had face to face, particularly with regard to controversial issues such as the ones presented in this thread.
That said, I have never seen a dispute on a forum be handled by all parties involved without degrading into foul words or without forcing a moderator to get involved and shut down the thread before. I applaud everyone for expressing themselves spiritedly, while still maintaining decorum.
God I love being a MINI owner. MINI folk are just a great bunch of people.
This is the internet. On the internet, we cannot see each other's faces and because we are not required to look others in the eye, people are more liberal and more vocal here than in any other form of communication in the history of man. As a result, people are often more passionate about any given subject than they might be if the conversation were had face to face, particularly with regard to controversial issues such as the ones presented in this thread.
That said, I have never seen a dispute on a forum be handled by all parties involved without degrading into foul words or without forcing a moderator to get involved and shut down the thread before. I applaud everyone for expressing themselves spiritedly, while still maintaining decorum.
God I love being a MINI owner. MINI folk are just a great bunch of people.
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Shove it up your ......................
You're right, that amazed me too! On most of the boards I frequent, this thread would have went in the crapper and needed to be locked long ago!
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Holy Crap Batman!! This was neither a troll or a lure but simply a question! I never ever expected such a reaction, my intention was not to start our own "civil" war here. Where I live in TN this graphic wouldn't raise an eyebrow, but being from CA I should have known the results of such a thread. Hell I worked in Berkeley for 23 years! I'm not sure if I should apologize for this thread or just chuckle. By the way it was just a thought (the graphic in question) one day and I was curious if a ready made one was actually available. No firm decisions have been made for my boy Jim! Flame on!
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